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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2013, 12:44:25 PM »
flawed logic.. you will always have more reach with a crop and a 1.4 TC. :)

And how many people are actually using a 1.4TC on an APS-C body? Its quite rare imho. I can also say add more n more extension rings if u just care about reach....flawed logic


Only advantage of APS-C is reach and price. But u dont have to save a lot more to get a better FF body than the endlevel APS-C. Yes, i hate APS-C or anything smaller than FF :P Still using it tough  ::)
I just think there are too many Canon DSLR models and levels. They should have entry, advanced and pro. Why there is like super entry (xxxxD), normal entry (xxxD), upper entry (xxD) advanced (7D) upper advance (6D) end Advanced (5D) and pro (1dX)? Its just too many imho. And all APS-C produce the same image quality. mostly the rebels even produce better images then the 7D cuz they get updated more often  ::)
I would NEVER get a 7D if it gives the same IQ as the cheapest DSLR from Canon. Paying so much money just for a better body material is ridicoulus imho. Or wow 10 FPS? Press and pray is not my style... If i wanna be somewhat professional id at least get a 5D.


A LOT of people use a TC on a APS-C body... I do all the time, both 1.4 and 2x, and have done so for a while. Many people have...
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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2013, 12:44:25 PM »

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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2013, 01:01:06 PM »
I want to rant about about the photo news media. I don't understand why industry writers have to be such sycophants. They never ask the tough questions of these executives, but instead behave like a bunch of lap dogs letting these executives sail through the interviews with softball questions.

Almost anyone who comments on this forum could have asked better questions.

It's probably a reach to consider staff at DPReview "industry writers" or media or journalists at all. Owned by Amazon, they are simply part of the marketing system designed to make people want their products. And in my reading, I haven't seen any of them that could write their way past a decent managing editor on any legitimate publication anyway.

I've agreed with and made the same point about genuine journalism in the photography equipment world. The only two sources of objective, informed information are Big Brain (neuro) here and Roger at Lens Rentals. Much as I respect them, that makes for a damn lame world of broad photo equipment journalism. How many consumers are going to find their way to those two sources?

That said, there are two things in that interview that impress me.

First, the corporate portrait. That is as perfect a headshot as I've ever seen -- and exactly the kind of perfection I'd expect to see from Canon. Imagine being the photographer charged with doing their management headshots!

Second is this statement: "My idea is that, if you increase the size, you go with APS-C - that's the architecture that allows low light performance. That was the reason I put an APS-C sensor in the PowerShot G1 X and the EOS M - for the time being, that's the standard."

He is actually saying HE is the one who did this. I can't recall a corp exec ever putting himself "on front street" (as my 12-step friends call it) before. He has stepped outside both corporate norms as well as the whole of Japanese culture with this statement, so I find it startling. If he had said "we" did it, that would have been the usual corp drivel I'd expect. And, honestly, without that, I wouldn't even have commented on this. If I'd made some public statement like that when I was in the corp world, I'd have been raked over the coals for "being off the reservation."

Also, interesting that his two APS-C installations seem to go nowhere. At least in the west the M seems to be a dud. And as I've said before when I asked the camera staff in a local (Philadelphia area) Best Buy store about the G1X, they'd never heard of it -- had no idea any such thing existed.
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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2013, 01:12:43 PM »
It's probably a reach to consider staff at DPReview "industry writers" or media or journalists at all. Owned by Amazon, they are simply part of the marketing system designed to make people want their products.

Good to know, maybe this is the reason they seem to be delaying their full 6d review indefinitely (just the af performance test is missing)? They probably have a hard time deciding between sugar-coating it or looking for a new job :->

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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2013, 01:23:13 PM »
Press and pray is not my style... If i wanna be somewhat professional id at least get a 5D.

I find "press and pray" to be a very derogatory reference to a very usefull tool.

Follow this scenario....
On the riverbank we have three people taking pictures of a osprey fishing. We have Neuro, with a 1DX and 600mm lens, we have me with a 1Dx and a 600mm lens, and we have my neice with a point/shoot.... Neuro has the presence of mind (and probably has scans to prove it :) ) to set his camera for burst mode at 10 frames per second... I rely on pushing the shutter quickly, and my neice has to wait a few seconds between pictures......

The Osprey swoops down and snatches up a fish...... Neuro has about 15 shots to choose from as the fish is picked up out of the water.... I have 3 or 4.... my neice gets one from a second after the grab. Who do you think got the nicest shot?.... And as an asside, who do you think is going to be the most excited and happiest with thier picture?
Who cares! I am downstream (in the line of the bird's flight). I have an assault rifle. I shoot the bird. I have a charcoal grill ready and primed. I marinate both (after removing the feathers and descaling etc.). I grill them. Now I get to eat the bird and the fish!
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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2013, 01:33:54 PM »
I was really surprised by the amount of ringside press using 7Ds at the London Olympics.

A lot of posters on CR give the impression that they think if you're a pro you can afford anything camera wise. That may be true if the photog's employers supply the equipment, but many are not in that boat.

Canon marketing research will know exactly how the land lies regarding current and near future demand for a fast, professional APS. If there's a demand they'll supply it.

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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2013, 01:39:48 PM »
The increased interest of prosumers for FF camera will not be caused by Canon not making crop anymore, but by Canon making much cheaper FF in the (far) future.

That is how I read the words.

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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2013, 01:44:06 PM »
The increased interest of prosumers for FF camera will not be caused by Canon not making crop anymore, but by Canon making much cheaper FF in the (far) future.

In this case, they'd better start making cheap ef lenses, too - people might want some tele lens offers that are sharp *and* don't cost 3x-5x the price of the camera body...

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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2013, 01:44:06 PM »

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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2013, 01:49:47 PM »
I was really surprised by the amount of ringside press using 7Ds at the London Olympics.

A lot of posters on CR give the impression that they think if you're a pro you can afford anything camera wise. That may be true if the photog's employers supply the equipment, but many are not in that boat.

Canon marketing research will know exactly how the land lies regarding current and near future demand for a fast, professional APS. If there's a demand they'll supply it.

Yes, this is a point that few people understand. It's been many, many years since I was a newspaper photographer, but some things have either not changed, or changed for the worse.

Most photojournalists have to supply their own equipment. Even if their employer has some equipment available, it is often just the bare minimum and not up to date. These days, there are fewer and fewer media outlets (hardly any independent papers today) sharing fewer and fewer resources. Staff photographers are among the first jobs that get cut as there are always freelancers out there willing to work for less.

Freelancers, of course, have to supply their own equipment and that often means buying the least that will do the job.
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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2013, 02:14:37 PM »
First, the corporate portrait. That is as perfect a headshot as I've ever seen -- and exactly the kind of perfection I'd expect to see from Canon. Imagine being the photographer charged with doing their management headshots!
I downloaded the file and notice that all the metadata was stripped from the photo.

I wonder what camera was used to take it?
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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2013, 02:54:04 PM »
First, the corporate portrait. That is as perfect a headshot as I've ever seen -- and exactly the kind of perfection I'd expect to see from Canon. Imagine being the photographer charged with doing their management headshots!
I downloaded the file and notice that all the metadata was stripped from the photo.

I wonder what camera was used to take it?
Nokia cell phone
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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2013, 03:23:05 PM »
If a 70D comes out FF, what specs is it going to have so that it sits below the 6D.

Can they strip the 6D further?

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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2013, 03:31:16 PM »
First, the corporate portrait. That is as perfect a headshot as I've ever seen -- and exactly the kind of perfection I'd expect to see from Canon. Imagine being the photographer charged with doing their management headshots!
I downloaded the file and notice that all the metadata was stripped from the photo.

I wonder what camera was used to take it?
Nokia cell phone
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So, if it was the lumia, it was totally shopped? ;D
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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2013, 04:18:30 PM »
...and that's why I'm keeping my humble 60D, 17-55, 50 1.4 and flash kit, and buying myself a Fuji X20 or ax X100s, with all its "limitations", for carrying around and for family events. In the future I'll probably get the successor of the X-Pro1 or X-E1, or even the successor of the Olympus OM-D EM-5, and carry lighter gear. The 60D is great and serves me pretty well -- I'm keeping it --, but my razor-thin DoF fever is cooling off pretty quickly and it looks like Fuji's line of thinking fits the bill better than Canon's for my needs.
Anyone else considering Fuji or Olympus?
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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2013, 04:18:30 PM »

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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2013, 04:29:20 PM »

Who cares! I am downstream (in the line of the bird's flight). I have an assault rifle. I shoot the bird. I have a charcoal grill ready and primed. I marinate both (after removing the feathers and descaling etc.). I grill them. Now I get to eat the bird and the fish!
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A hunter/killer/eater with the forethought to position/wait down-flight, pre-set grill, etc., ....would have better BIF shooting equipment than an assault rifle.  ;)

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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2013, 04:36:52 PM »
The increased interest of prosumers for FF camera will not be caused by Canon not making crop anymore, but by Canon making much cheaper FF in the (far) future.

In this case, they'd better start making cheap ef lenses, too - people might want some tele lens offers that are sharp *and* don't cost 3x-5x the price of the camera body...

I don´t think that Canon will do that.
The "better" compact Cameras are more and more apearing on the market. My son got an Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200. 450€. And I think that the shots are even as good as my daughters E0s D600. Half of the price. As fast as. 

So, Canon maybe will seperate on the market. Average lenses will apear from other manufacturers. But the "Primes" will still be from Canon.  And they will be priced over 2000€

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Re: Canon Confirms 70D; Future of Semi-Pro DSLR is FF
« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2013, 04:36:52 PM »