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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #135 on: February 09, 2013, 10:12:06 AM »
Long time lurker I generally come here every-time I start thinking about getting a new DSLR.  My plan has always been to build up my lens system then go full frame.  As it turns out I really needed a new EOS 70D released Last year.  I find the delay annoying but I realize that it is canons time table instead of mine.  My 60D met with an unfortunate accident and Canon would not fix it.  I also missed a number of good photo opportunities because my 60D was to big to carry around all the time.  So I found my self wanting an "evil" mirrorless for general use and full frame for when I want to be serious. 

Because of the delay I bought a replacement 60D.  I ended up buying a nex6 to satisfy my more portable camera needs and I have been impressed by the camera (Not by the lenses).  My next camera will likely be a 6d or a 70D / 7D mark II. 

I really would like some improvements in Canons sensors before I spend my hard erned money. 
70D /7D mark II wishlist
  • A new sensor
  • 20+ megapixel
  • Reduced read Noise
  • 1-2 stops improvement in ISO noise
  • Better dynamic range.
  • Same great canon ergonomics and sensible button layout (hopefully closer to 60D size than 7D size)

I do not think is to much to ask.  Like many on this tread I just wish they would announce the camera already.  So we can all start complaining about the specifications already.
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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #135 on: February 09, 2013, 10:12:06 AM »

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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #136 on: February 09, 2013, 10:34:56 AM »
70D /7D mark II wishlist
  • A new sensor
  • 20+ megapixel
  • Reduced read Noise
  • 1-2 stops improvement in ISO noise
  • Better dynamic range.
  • Same great canon ergonomics and sensible button layout (hopefully closer to 60D size than 7D size)

Interestingly, your 'wishlist' is a good description of the 6D, compared to your 60D...
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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #137 on: February 09, 2013, 10:55:24 AM »
[size=78%]Interestingly, your 'wishlist' is a good description of the 6D, compared to your 60D...[/size]
On that note, what would such specs mean for 70D/6D pricing?
Assuming that the 70D does not bring a revolution to the table but still offers better low light performance than 60D and perhaps afma, it would seem that it could easily end up being rather squeezed between the 6D and the rebel?
Or perhaps the 6D will not drop as much in price as we have come to expect of new canon models?

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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #138 on: February 09, 2013, 11:03:38 AM »
70D /7D mark II wishlist
  • A new sensor
  • 20+ megapixel
  • Reduced read Noise
  • 1-2 stops improvement in ISO noise
  • Better dynamic range.
  • Same great canon ergonomics and sensible button layout (hopefully closer to 60D size than 7D size)

Interestingly, your 'wishlist' is a good description of the 6D, compared to your 60D...

Indeed, looks like a 6D to me...
My wishlist for a new 7D:
- New sensor with better high ISO capabilities and better DR;
- 100% VF;
- Little better AF system (in between the current 7D and 5D3, maybe);
- AFMA;
- on-camera flash (commander);
- 16 to 18 MP;
- 7D size and ergonomics;
- Two SD card slots;
- 1080p 60 fps video;
- US$1,800...
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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #139 on: February 09, 2013, 11:36:45 AM »
70D /7D mark II wishlist
  • A new sensor
  • 20+ megapixel
  • Reduced read Noise
  • 1-2 stops improvement in ISO noise
  • Better dynamic range.
  • Same great canon ergonomics and sensible button layout (hopefully closer to 60D size than 7D size)

Interestingly, your 'wishlist' is a good description of the 6D, compared to your 60D...

I am well aware of that.  It along with cost is why I am considering a 6D.  But owning and using a Nex6 I realize there is room for improvement in those areas.  I want to see improvement in these areas.  I also realize that canon subsidizes the R&D cost of its top line sensors through the sale of point-and-shoot and Rebel cameras.
Canon needs to improve its APS-C sensors to stay competitive and I believe they know that.  Canon still has the best system as a whole when you consider lenses. 

It was not intended to be a full specification list.  It should still have similar stutter speed and faster flash sink speed of the 7D vs the 6D.

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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #140 on: February 09, 2013, 12:38:25 PM »
My wishlist for a new 7D:
- New sensor with better high ISO capabilities and better DR;
- 100% VF;
- Little better AF system (in between the current 7D and 5D3, maybe);
- AFMA;
- on-camera flash (commander);
- 16 to 18 MP;
- 7D size and ergonomics;
- Two SD card slots;
- 1080p 60 fps video;
- US$1,800...
:)

This is exactly my wishlist as well.
Great minds think alike ;).

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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #141 on: February 09, 2013, 01:13:14 PM »
My wishlist for a new 7D:
- New sensor with better high ISO capabilities and better DR;
- 100% VF;
- Little better AF system (in between the current 7D and 5D3, maybe);
- AFMA;
- on-camera flash (commander);
- 16 to 18 MP;
- 7D size and ergonomics;
- Two SD card slots;
- 1080p 60 fps video;
- US$1,800...
:)

This is exactly my wishlist as well.
Great minds think alike ;).

Well, there is a market for such a camera, after all...! :)

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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #141 on: February 09, 2013, 01:13:14 PM »

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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #142 on: February 09, 2013, 09:07:56 PM »
Hi,
   For me, I'm not greedy:
   - Improve AF,
   - Improve low light AF
   - 1 stop improvement in noise over current 7D (but preserve all the noise information like all the current Canon DSLR)
   - 2nd SD card slot
   - 100% crop 1080p HD video
   - the rest can remain same as current 7D including price (hopefully)
   
   Have a nice day.

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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #143 on: February 09, 2013, 09:19:07 PM »
Hi,
   For me, I'm not greedy:
   - Improve AF,
   - Improve low light AF
   - 1 stop improvement in noise over current 7D (but preserve all the noise information like all the current Canon DSLR)
   - 2nd SD card slot
   - 100% crop 1080p HD video
   - the rest can remain same as current 7D including price (hopefully)
   
   Have a nice day.

Sounds good enough for me, too.
What's "100% crop" video?
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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #144 on: February 09, 2013, 09:20:46 PM »
Hi,
   For me, I'm not greedy:
   - Improve AF,
   - Improve low light AF
   - 1 stop improvement in noise over current 7D (but preserve all the noise information like all the current Canon DSLR)
   - 2nd SD card slot
   - 100% crop 1080p HD video
   - the rest can remain same as current 7D including price (hopefully)
   
   Have a nice day.

I'd go for a second CF card slot. Mixing card types, forcing the use of slower SD cards, is kind of useless. I'm rather bummed the 5D III includes mixed card slot types. Everyone who has tried to use the SD to save a second copy of the image written to the CF has experienced a significant loss in FPS.

I'm curious about this comment, though:

   - 1 stop improvement in noise over current 7D (but preserve all the noise information like all the current Canon DSLR)

What exactly does that mean?

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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #145 on: February 09, 2013, 09:45:49 PM »
I'd go for a second CF card slot. Mixing card types, forcing the use of slower SD cards, is kind of useless. I'm rather bummed the 5D III includes mixed card slot types. Everyone who has tried to use the SD to save a second copy of the image written to the CF has experienced a significant loss in FPS.
You mean two CF card slots?!
Damn... Want to buy a dozen SD cards? :)

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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #146 on: February 09, 2013, 10:00:06 PM »
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Love to see:
Use of 1d series batteries and voltage for slightly faster AF with a grip.
Better high ISO performance
8-10 FPS
AF menus like 1dx/5d3
No built in flash
Grip with a thumb stick like the BG-E11
Viewfinder latch like 1D series
61 point AF would be nice but I feel 40-50 would do just fine if they were as sensitive as the 5d3/1Dx
Close to or on par with 1d Series weather sealing (with grip too!).

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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #147 on: February 09, 2013, 10:02:34 PM »

What's "100% crop" video?
Daniel

There is a mode on the 60D where you can shoot 640x480 video taken from the 640x480 pixels at the center of the sensor. It's VERY usefull for image stacking in astrophotography....
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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #147 on: February 09, 2013, 10:02:34 PM »

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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #148 on: February 09, 2013, 10:07:01 PM »
I'd go for a second CF card slot. Mixing card types, forcing the use of slower SD cards, is kind of useless. I'm rather bummed the 5D III includes mixed card slot types. Everyone who has tried to use the SD to save a second copy of the image written to the CF has experienced a significant loss in FPS.
You mean two CF card slots?!
Damn... Want to buy a dozen SD cards? :)

That operate at 1/4 to 1/3 the speed of my CF cards? I can get up to 1000x CF cards, vs. 600x SDXC cards. Not only that, CF cards have a much lower latency, and buffer clear time with CF is three to five times faster (4-7 seconds for CF, 20 seconds for SDXC.) Even with the best of the best SDXC cards, they are still a slouch compared to even a moderate UDMA-7 CF card. I'll take the lower latency of CF at the same speed as an SD any day, even if it costs several times as much (although I'd say, given that I buy Transcend CF cards that have yet to fail me even once, the conversion rate is more like 3-4 SD cards per CF card, at mot.)

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Re: *UPDATE* EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C Will Change
« Reply #149 on: February 09, 2013, 10:42:13 PM »
If it is up for a vote, I'm backing mixed card slots.  SD cards might not be the fastest or most secure, but they are universally available.  Every supermarket, tourist attraction and smaller camera shooter carries SD cards.  And they're cheap.  Plus nearly every laptop and tablet has a built in SD card reader.  Mixed card slots give you the CF card slot for speed and reliability and an SD card slot for those "OMG I forgot spare memory cards" moments.

Besides, I thought we were almost at the point where memory card speed wasn't having a significant impact on camera FPS or buffers?
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« Reply #149 on: February 09, 2013, 10:42:13 PM »