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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2013, 03:23:07 AM »
Windows 8. It's slightly faster, uses less memory, has fast boot if you like that sort of stuff and is the future. You don't need the start menu. You don't need to use Metro. Just Win+D to get into desktop mode and everything is like before, and Win + typing for search; also, Win+X for the advanced menu.

Oh, and the antivirus is now integrated, no need for a separate download.

... And get an SSD, at least for the OS (a 60 GB SSD would be fine).
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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2013, 03:42:52 AM »
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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2013, 04:01:43 AM »
Dual boot or VM.

I have WIN7 on VM.

VMs didn't cut it for me.
The performance was not good enough on my rather old setup.
I recommend the dual boot if you feel like keep on using a microsoft operating system with a smaller footprint.

LR works great with Win 7.


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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2013, 05:18:04 AM »
+1 for Win 7

How about ubuntu linux and running LR on wine? I do not have LR so have not tried it myself. Anyone who has experience?



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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2013, 10:59:59 AM »
Keep your current WinXP PC the way it is and get another PC for your photography with Win7 Pro x64 and run Lightroom 4 on that.  Get a good higher end IPS display for the photo pc.  The Photo PC is just another tool.
Excellent idea.  I've been tolerating Win 7 just to run LR 4.  There has not been one positive thing I've gained with Win 7 but instead lots of things that annoy me.  I'm seriously considering building a dedicated Win 7 photo PC while my main PC is XP.
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XP will become a dead OS in April 2014

What this means is you will no longer receive updates for security, drivers, etc.  The OS will still function but it will cease to exist as far as Microsoft is concerned.

Windows 7 is actually a great OS and it isn't that hard to become comfortable with.  It performs better and much more reliable and secure.  You would like it even more on a laptop.  Lightroom or any other similar software is going to benefit from a 64 bit OS and at least 8GB of RAM, preferably 16GB.  Just do it and don't look back.  It's not that big of a deal.  Then after you are comfortable with Win7 on the Photo PC, start deciding about your main workstation.  My suggestion on that is to go to or and purchase a refurbished HP or DELL Core2Duo workstation PC with Win7 Pro for about $250.  I would suggest to stick with Intel Core2 or i Series CPU + Chipset and away from AMD or Pentium 4.  Here's a good example...
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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2013, 11:50:39 AM »

Windows 8 will cause much pain and suffering - save yourself!
How did it cause you pain and suffering?  I have 7 windows 7 pc's plus the new Windows 8 DELL XPS I bought a month ago.  I did buy Start 8 for $4.99, and now its like Windows 7 as far as the UI goes.  I like the quick launch like XP had, and thats restored the same way as it is in Windows 7.  Windows 8 does take a couple of hours to figure out, I had to research GPT Drives in order to clone the oem hard drive to my SSD,  and learn how to close a program, but its all Windows 7 underneath, except its a bit faster and some issues seem to be smoothed out. 


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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2013, 11:52:08 AM »
+1 for Win7 Prof.Edition on a 64bit PC.
Win8 is only of interest if you plan to buy a touchscreen so you can handle your PC with fingertips like an tablet PC or your mobile phone. Win8 comes with 2 surfaces... the new one for the fingertips and the one more or less unchanged from Win7. LR,PS,PSE or other software will never be used in the fingertipps surface, there only seperatley programmed "Apps" like on mobile phones will run.

if you feel to need the fastboot feature from win8 you can install your win7 on a SSD disc (or SSD disc RAID1) so booting will also be faster than with normal harddrive.


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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2013, 01:35:06 PM »
Windows 8 is a reaction to the device-comprehensive iOS and Mac OS - from phone to tablet to laptop to desktop.  All have a similar look and feel.  Apple has been moving in this direction for quite some time, step by step.  Microsoft tried to do it all at once to play catch-up, and has had lack-luster acceptance of Windows 8.  Microsoft will keep improving it and eventually work out the issues many people have with the Win 8 UI.

Under the UI, Win 8 is much the same as Win 7.  However, Microsoft often releases software with bugs or other issues, so it is best to wait a year or more to upgrade to a new Microsoft OS.  I usually don't bother upgrading the OS on an existing machine except for service packs.
If you have a current PC that did not come with Windows 8, I suggest Windows 7.  If you are building your own machine, again I suggest Windows 7.  Windows 7 will have drivers for all current software and hardware, and manufacturers will continue to support Win7 for a few years or more.  You will also have more success finding drivers for older devices for Win7 than Win8.

If you are buying a new machine, use the OS that comes with it. (Likely Windows8)  The OS that comes with the machine has all the proper drivers and has been tested together with the hardware and will be supported by the manufacturer.  There are ways to get around the unwanted touchscreen UI of Win8 so it feels more like Win7 as mentioned by other posters.

If you have to upgrade much of the hardware on your old machine, it is better to scrap it and get a new machine.  The concept of being able to indefinitely upgrade an older machine is false.  Maybe some memory or a new hard drive at some point.  Much beyond that and you get into compatibility issues because your machine is too old and doesn't properly support the new gear (i.e. graphics cards, etc.) that you are trying to put into your machine.  It is too costly and ultimately a poorer solution to upgrade everything.

I ultimately went and built a dedicated Windows 7 PC for my lightroom and photoshop last summer.  I designed this set up just for photo editing.  This is not as expensive or as difficult as you may think, and you get considerbly more machine for the dollar spent than going with a Dell, HP, etc. ( If you want the components list I used, message me directly.  I did a lot of research prior to building out the machine.)
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XP is dead.  Most anything you buy today - either software or hardware - will no longer support XP.  It is definitely time to upgrade.
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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2013, 02:08:48 PM »
Go with Windows 7.  Windows 8 is just not a very good desktop interface.  There are many things that feel disconnected from each other and it is more difficult to use with a mouse and keyboard.

With Windows 7, you will feel like it is XP after just a little while and realize you could have changed earlier.

Windows 8 interface for the desktop user is just not good enough yet.  Too much reliance on touch gestures that we do not have the peripherals to do properly.

If it Windows 8 was 'just' the desktop part then it would be, by far, the best windows ever.  Saddled with the tile interface that is not connected in any way to the desktop it is a frustrating mess.
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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2013, 09:40:17 PM »
Wow, lots of thoughts and ideas. Just for the record, I went with a dual boot XP/Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit system. XP will allow me to still use some hardware and software that I have that is only comptatable with XP and 7 will allow me to go forward.

I love 7 so far and I even upgraded to 16gb of DDR3 ram. (I only had 2gb before) My machine flies now. I will only use XP when I need to use hardware or software not compatable with 7, but I have been able to get about 98% of my stuff to work with 7. I love the feel of 7, it's a fantastic upgrade to XP.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts and responces!

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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2013, 07:31:45 AM »
No idea of 8 but 7 was pretty good.

i chucked it all in and finally crossed over to the mac side.

Agree win 7 is very nice.   Will move to Mac once the new Mac pros are released


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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2013, 09:12:29 AM »
Some thoughts about the love to a technology from the last millenium:

Desktop operating systems   End of mainstream support  End of extended support
Windows XP                         April 14, 2009                     April 8, 2014
Windows Vista                      April 10, 2012                    April 11, 2017
Windows 7                           January 12, 2015               January 14, 2020

If your hardware supports it go to Windows 8
If your hardware does not support it... go and buy some proper one.
You are mature enaugh to desire Lightroom
You are serious enough to spent your time on Canon Rumors which deals with future technology that is not even in the shelves.
It would be a flawed logic to treat your picture and the related workflow with past technology. Or to teach yourself the usage of an OS that is surpassed by two or three newer versions.

By the way the next Version of Windows OS (let us call it "Blue") is at milestone 1 in it's development that means you will see it in shelves probably before the summer 2014.



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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2013, 09:31:54 AM »
I had the WIN 8 RC installed and could not stand it. I did install a third party Start menu software. Still, too often, the tiles would show up and I have to click on desktop, etc.

Is there a way to hide the tiles once and for all?


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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2013, 09:54:52 AM »
Win8 + the $5 Start8 program is a winner. Recently built a new PC and purchased a system builder copy of Win8 Pro and it really couldn't have been easier (as an aside, the system builder version is for home builders, not professional builders, they'd get a volume discount copy).

Zero driver issues, awesome stability, I've really had no problems with it.

The Metro interface really is pretty terrible on a non touch system though, but get Start8 and you'll almost never have to deal with it.

LR4.3 runs great, though I did build a pretty beefy system so it should.


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Re: Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4... DOH!!!
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2013, 10:31:00 AM »
Windows 8 works fine with Lightroom 4.x I've never update my lightroom.
W8 will take you a couple of days to get used to, but just consider the w8 interface as a bigger version of the old w7 start button and you will be fine. You can use your mouse to scroll the programs or just start typing if you did that in w7 start.
Loads of apps like Outlook and Lightroom still go back to the old desktop you are used to.