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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2013, 04:03:31 AM »
Just my tuppence-worth...

I bought the new 24-70 for £1700. I use it in nearly every shoot I do (Documentary shoots, NGO work, Conflict, Events) and I haven't once wished that I had IS.
The iso performance on the 5d3 is so good that I can just bump it to compensate if necessary. Although expensive, the 24-70ii is sharp, lightweight enough to use all day in 100F+, and perfect for my needs.
It paid for itself within 2 projects and I just don't see a time when I'd be prepared to pony up another grand to buy an IS version. Just doesn't make sense to me.

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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2013, 05:16:42 AM »
I think it would be nice to have IS on the 24-70, as it would just be another tool to use for our benefit in certain situations, but my main concern is that extra cost of IS on that lens would make it like a $3k lens

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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2013, 05:30:05 AM »
.28 cents... about as much as I'd pay for a pegusus or the Man/Bear/Pig. I have never understood the need for eveything IS... like the masses begging for the 135 w/IS. It won't save poor technique or much beyond still work. I love the ability of it on a tele... like the 70-200 but honestly it is off 95% of the time on mine.

Again... For video IS is a massive +

Remember that the general rule for getting sharp images is focal length/shutter speed = <1

And that for video you are stuck at a shutter sped of 1/50th second if you want natural looking motion at 24/25 frames per second.

For the 135 that means you're very unlikely to get usable hand-held footage (unless you only need a very brief cutaway).

With a 4-stop IS system, you would be able to shoot reasonable hand-held video with a 135mm lens. Consequently for video shooters this would be a killer feature. It has nothing to do with poor technique (unless you count not having every shot locked off on a tripod/dolly/crane as poor technique I guess - but this is hardly feasible for low-budget event/documentary jobs). Much the same can be said about shooting handheld at 70mm - you might get away with it as it's closer to a 1:1 focal length to shutter speed ration - but IS will give you a steadier shot on a more consistent basis.

IS may not be what you look for or need for your own particular usage, however for others (particularly those focussed on video, or who make significant usage of video) IS is a massive advantage in a lens.

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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2013, 08:14:51 AM »
+1 for IS as a video feature.
IMO some form of stabilization is absolutely crucial for video.
Granted, this will often be gravity-based (tripod), gravity/inertia-based (balanced steadycam), but the feature of build-in IS (regardless of how it works) is nothing short of amazing for handheld video.

Keep in mind that for video it is not a question of sharpness in relation to shutter speed as much as a smooth continuity from image to image.

If I was about to pull the trigger on a 24-70II (currently 2100$ here) I think I'd be "happy" to add 100-200$ for IS without blinking.

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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2013, 10:00:04 AM »
Image stabilisation is magical.  Of all the modern advances in camera tech, IS is one of the truly great advantages compared to days gone by.  Worth every penny.

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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2013, 10:56:53 AM »
Hm really? I think AF is more useful. I can live without IS on my lenses but i dont wanna trade AF. Useable high ISO might be the best i think. Way more than IS.

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« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2013, 11:36:30 AM »
Hm really? I think AF is more useful. I can live without IS on my lenses but i dont wanna trade AF. Useable high ISO might be the best i think. Way more than IS.

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Yes, really.  I did say "one of".  I did not use the word "best" and I did not use the word "useful".  No wonder so many arguments get started, when you paraphrase someone and change the meaning, then disagree with your paraphrased version you have committed a logical fallacy called a "straw man" argument.  :D  I'm just havin' some fun...

I agree that the other two you state are also in that same category.  An exact rank ordering of what is best, second best, etc. would involve a lot of factors including personal preference so best to avoid trying to do that.

AF has been around since the late 70s so whether we lump that in with other so-called "modern advances" is a choice.  But sure, if I had to choose of course I'd take AF over IS.

High ISO capability is great, but distill it down a little further... being able to change ISO from shot to shot is even more useful/beneficial/wonderful/magical.  In film days, there were different ISO films... but once you put a roll in, you shot at that ISO until you were done (do I have that right, I never shot film).  Or imagine going out shooting for a day, planning to shoot say 5 rolls of film, but not sure what ISO you'd be using... man, you'd have to take along 5 rolls of film of each ISO you thought you might use.  Yikes!

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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2013, 11:41:00 AM »
1999$

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EDIT: Actually I would only consider it for an unrealistic €1500-1600
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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2013, 12:45:41 PM »
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IS may not be what you look for or need for your own particular usage, however for others (particularly those focussed on video, or who make significant usage of video) IS is a massive advantage in a lens.

as a still shooter this is something that i have come to understand despite not having any real experience shooting video.

my question is however, how useful is a mid range zoom for video? would a prime be more desirable at those focal ranges? i see plenty of 70-200mm 2.8 IS lenses being used by video guys on the weddings i shoot but they are always locked down on tripods/dollys and as far as i know the focal length is not being changed during filming.

i still contend for still shooting that IS is usually a bad solution for low light at wider focal lengths. i completely understand it for longer focal lengths in all lighting conditions but i think faster shutterspeeds at higher ISOs is always a better solution. IS cannot overcome the physics of motion in the scene below 1/60th of a sec. only faster shutterpeeds can and on occasion strobed light.
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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2013, 01:09:58 PM »
$1799, that's what I would pay...and that was the question.  Not what I think would be the initial asking price.  Initially I'm sure they would ask $3199, and all the doctors, lawyers, and other overpaid professionals would buy almost their entire inventory.  Just like they did with the 5D3 last year.  If they ever produce a special gold edition 5D3, those same people would buy all of those.  Snob appeal, period.

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« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2013, 01:12:25 PM »
.28 cents... about as much as I'd pay for a pegusus or the Man/Bear/Pig. I have never understood the need for eveything IS... like the masses begging for the 135 w/IS. It won't save poor technique or much beyond still work. I love the ability of it on a tele... like the 70-200 but honestly it is off 95% of the time on mine.

Again... For video IS is a massive +

Remember that the general rule for getting sharp images is focal length/shutter speed = <1

And that for video you are stuck at a shutter sped of 1/50th second if you want natural looking motion at 24/25 frames per second.

For the 135 that means you're very unlikely to get usable hand-held footage (unless you only need a very brief cutaway).

With a 4-stop IS system, you would be able to shoot reasonable hand-held video with a 135mm lens. Consequently for video shooters this would be a killer feature. It has nothing to do with poor technique (unless you count not having every shot locked off on a tripod/dolly/crane as poor technique I guess - but this is hardly feasible for low-budget event/documentary jobs). Much the same can be said about shooting handheld at 70mm - you might get away with it as it's closer to a 1:1 focal length to shutter speed ration - but IS will give you a steadier shot on a more consistent basis.

IS may not be what you look for or need for your own particular usage, however for others (particularly those focussed on video, or who make significant usage of video) IS is a massive advantage in a lens.

Yes, but we are talking about DSLRs where video is a niche. As a commercial/professional photographer I do take video but my bread and butter is from still work. I've always felt that video is a nice addition but not really the main concern for my body selection. I buy a video unit for video and a DSLR for still, so insisting that every lens has IS because it video friendly is like insisting all Ferraris must have a trailer hitch. You know, for that 5% of Italian sports car camping fanatics that travel with a camper.

Canon makes cinema lenses... buy one if that is your interest, leave the cost and weight out of the design of most DSLR lenses.
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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2013, 01:49:12 PM »
Hm really? I think AF is more useful. I can live without IS on my lenses but i dont wanna trade AF. Useable high ISO might be the best i think. Way more than IS.
I don't think anyone is disputing how important AF is ... AF literally propelled Canon into top position.
What we are talking about is IS in the lens without compromising on AF, sharpness, IQ etc ... what if that lens is the sharpest canon lens ever, with the fastest and the most accurate AF ever and with minimum 4 stops IS, what would you be willing to pay?
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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2013, 01:51:03 PM »
.28 cents... about as much as I'd pay for a pegusus or the Man/Bear/Pig. I have never understood the need for eveything IS... like the masses begging for the 135 w/IS. It won't save poor technique or much beyond still work. I love the ability of it on a tele... like the 70-200 but honestly it is off 95% of the time on mine.

Again... For video IS is a massive +

Remember that the general rule for getting sharp images is focal length/shutter speed = <1

And that for video you are stuck at a shutter sped of 1/50th second if you want natural looking motion at 24/25 frames per second.

For the 135 that means you're very unlikely to get usable hand-held footage (unless you only need a very brief cutaway).

With a 4-stop IS system, you would be able to shoot reasonable hand-held video with a 135mm lens. Consequently for video shooters this would be a killer feature. It has nothing to do with poor technique (unless you count not having every shot locked off on a tripod/dolly/crane as poor technique I guess - but this is hardly feasible for low-budget event/documentary jobs). Much the same can be said about shooting handheld at 70mm - you might get away with it as it's closer to a 1:1 focal length to shutter speed ration - but IS will give you a steadier shot on a more consistent basis.

IS may not be what you look for or need for your own particular usage, however for others (particularly those focussed on video, or who make significant usage of video) IS is a massive advantage in a lens.

Yes, but we are talking about DSLRs where video is a niche. As a commercial/professional photographer I do take video but my bread and butter is from still work. I've always felt that video is a nice addition but not really the main concern for my body selection. I buy a video unit for video and a DSLR for still, so insisting that every lens has IS because it video friendly is like insisting all Ferraris must have a trailer hitch. You know, for that 5% of Italian sports car camping fanatics that travel with a camper.

Canon makes cinema lenses... buy one if that is your interest, leave the cost and weight out of the design of most DSLR lenses.

Excellent and hilarious points!  I'm tired of all these people who insist that the future of DSLR usage, is video.  You know, because stills photography is for old timers.  Go buy a C100, educate yourself, and try to do some quality work, if you really need to do video.

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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2013, 01:57:29 PM »
$5000, but if it comes with the new cap maybe $7500.
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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2013, 02:04:13 PM »
Yes, but we are talking about DSLRs where video is a niche.

Canon makes cinema lenses... buy one if that is your interest, leave the cost and weight out of the design of most DSLR lenses.
A lot of wedding photographers are now using fusion, mixing video with stills ... and more and more couples are asking for fusion ... it would be foolish for those photographers to invest in Canon cinema lenses as they cost a fortune. Besides, the 24-70 f/2.8 L II is there for people like you who don't want IS, since it is new, it won't go anywhere if (hypothetically speaking) canon releases an IS version in 2013 or 2014. I don't think a general purpose zoom lens with IS will be all that heavy, I am sure we will still be able to carry it all day comfortably, unless someone is extremely weak.
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Re: How much would you pay for Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L IS
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