PBD: I called Mikael an irrelevance, which by my understanding of the word is not an insult, because his comments in these threads are so often irrelevant.
IMO, you are directly disrespecting the man with that statement.
You seem to have an adequate grasp of english to be able to understand that you did not refer to his IDEAS with that comment, which you've repeated more than once.
If you were to do so, you'd have said, "Hey, your opinion or comment is irrelevant."
FWIW, irrelevance is not even a real word, but you're putting it into a context that comes across as disrespectful.
I also find your badgering of people for their raw files a put-off as well.
What do you hope to accomplish from someone else's raw files?
If you want samples of D800 or 5d2 files, you can find them, shot under very controlled conditions, on various sites. Imaging-resourse is a good example.
Download them and play with them. See how they compare for yourself.
I see little need to duplicate their efforts to appease such requests.
PBD: Like his eye comment..
you did not need to respond to that, he didn't contradict what you said, he merely added to it
PBD: Can you show us some images where the DR of the Canon just can't work but the slightly higher DR of the Nikon saved the day and made a worthwhile image? It appears not.
I can show you where, if I had shot Nikon, it would have provided an image that _I_ would have liked much better. My client didn't care. I'm a much fussier customer than my clients.
PBD: However, what we are constantly asking for is examples of where the Canon equipment lets you down in real world shooting,
Right, and when I actually started a thread on this exact topic a couple days ago I got 2 pages of crap from various fan-boys on this site who weren't patient enough for some examples to be posted by me or anyone else. Very few others even braved the flames to actually try to participate. I feel bad for them because they were interested in the topic but were likely turned off by the resulting brawl. I certainly was.
Why should I, and some others, waste our time trying to share our experience and knowledge when the response is ridicule or disrespect? Many of the people on this forum have something worthwhile to contribute, even if they're newbies. However, I've often seen too many responses in a condescending attitude from certain participants; that does not create a healthy atmosphere for participation.
And it must the crankiness that comes with old age but I'm gonna call it when i see it.
PBD: where maximising the lower capabilities of the Canon are not enough, where worthwhile real world images could only be shot with a Nikon. In truth I have never been shown one, not one single real world image, only lots of artificially set up and badly exposed "tests".
What I've generally stated is that the superior sensor performance of the other mfr's cameras allow a lot more creative freedom in post and simplified shooting in the field because we don't have to try wring the best from a mediocre product.
I and others have also stated that it's certainly a benefit to be able to recover from an underexposed shot, or to be able to compress the contrast in a shot with lots of dynamic range, so that the shadows aren't wrecked by pattern noise. There are enough real-world situations where this is an issue.
I've made prints from my 5d2 and 7d that people think are great! Sure. I wonder what they'd have thought about the same images if I could have lifted the dark levels a little like I wanted to, so a hint of the detail hiding there could be seen - preferably without the stripes.
I don't know who said it but taking your dark print outside to view in sunlight to see the shadow details is not often an appropriate option!
This is when shadow range compression (lifting) is beneficial and when patterned noise cameras, like most contemporary Canons, are not up to the task in the more extreme cases.Artificially contrived tests
are what you use when you do research. It's called a controlled environment to minimize variables.
It's daft to suggest such tests do not have merit, people need to understand how they work and how the results will apply to real world shooting. If someone can't understand that, it's gonna be pretty hard to teach them much of anything.
PBD: I shoot a lot of very high dynamic range images, a Nikon would not serve me better.
That's true, but it is irrelevant!
HDR can even be done with an 8-bit compact camera.