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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2013, 06:24:48 PM »
The 6D sounds like a great camera and that is a great review, but I prefer the 5D3 for the AF points, larger body, dual cards, multi controller joystick (especially on the grip) and most ergonomics in general.

As far as the center focal point, I can't remember the last time I used the center focal point. The 5D3 with all the those cross types spread out is really sweet.

There's really only one thing I'm envious of on the 6D and that is built in wifi. I have to use and Eye-Fi card for that.
I've never really run into a situation where the 1/2 DR would have made a difference. Therefore the banding issues of the 5D3 aren't an issue either. During test I do know the banding is considerably better than the 5D2.

Good points, and I do think that the 5D3 is perhaps the best all around camera available.  I suspect that most 5D3 users are quite happy with their purchase.  I also think, however, that most 6D users will be happy with their purchase and will discover that they got far more camera than what most people have written the 6D off to be.
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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2013, 06:24:48 PM »

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2013, 06:29:24 PM »
Without reading your review, the number one reason people pick 6D over 5D III is the PRICE TAG.

Samething for Tammy 24-70 f2.8 VC over Canon f2.8 II
Don't be so sure. I've seen many who picked the 6D because it has better IQ (dynamic range, high ISO noise) than the 5D3.

Think about it - not everyone is fond of shooting sports and weddings. If "super duper AF" and FPS is not important, then why pay 1000 bucks more for a bigger and heavier camera, with less IQ? :) Yes, even if it is just marginally less.

To a lot of people (me included) IQ is the highest of all priorities.

Better IQ and higher ISO? that what current 6D owners want&wish to hear  ;D
I see. Well then, I guess there is no point in arguing with you, since you obviously don't know the facts.

But perhaps it's for the best.  :D

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2013, 06:49:36 PM »
Nice shots, great review.  I can easily say I pretty much agree with everything you said.  I have both bodies currently but actually may sell the 5D3 soon depending on how the next firmware update addresses the low light AF issue with the 5D3.  The 6D is a great camera and is much more capable than the nay sayers claim.  You simply have to use one to decide.  You did.  And everyone who either owns or has used one has come away satisfied AFAIK.  Thanks for the great info!
Yes, but what would  surapon  say ??  :D

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2013, 06:59:21 PM »
Without reading your review, the number one reason people pick 6D over 5D III is the PRICE TAG.

Samething for Tammy 24-70 f2.8 VC over Canon f2.8 II
Don't be so sure. I've seen many who picked the 6D because it has better IQ (dynamic range, high ISO noise) than the 5D3.

Think about it - not everyone is fond of shooting sports and weddings. If "super duper AF" and FPS is not important, then why pay 1000 bucks more for a bigger and heavier camera, with less IQ? :) Yes, even if it is just marginally less.

To a lot of people (me included) IQ is the highest of all priorities.

Better IQ and higher ISO? that what current 6D owners want&wish to hear  ;D
I see. Well then, I guess there is no point in arguing with you, since you obviously don't know the facts.

But perhaps it's for the best.  :D

Since you said "you obviously don't know the facts", about you and I share some pictures from both cameras(6D Vs 5D III). In my comparsions, I DO NOT see 6D offers better DR than 5D III. Pictures were shots with 24-70 f2.8 II in mid afternoon, sunset, and some in extreme low light.

Are you willing to share your own shots, 6D Vs 5D III comparions? I'm more than willing to show you mines.
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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2013, 07:15:16 PM »
How do you find the size of the 6D, coming from your 5D MkII? No stores have the 6D in stock where I live. Hoping to visit B&H and get a feel for one when I am in NY next month.

I have the 50D, and I find the ergonomics great. I held a 60D and found it smaller than my liking. Is the 6D closer to either in size, or in between? My other concern is the lack of a joystick! Mostly ergonomic questions, since I am confident in the 6D's image quality.

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2013, 07:21:17 PM »
How do you find the size of the 6D, coming from your 5D MkII? No stores have the 6D in stock where I live. Hoping to visit B&H and get a feel for one when I am in NY next month.

I have the 50D, and I find the ergonomics great. I held a 60D and found it smaller than my liking. Is the 6D closer to either in size, or in between? My other concern is the lack of a joystick! Mostly ergonomic questions, since I am confident in the 6D's image quality.
Hi, I used to have a 60D, sold it when I had bought my 5D3. I got the chance to play around with the 6D at my store. It felt small compared to the 5D3, but still very comfortable and I didn't have to move around my hand to get to the buttons because of the smaller housing.  As I am new to the 5D3 I haven't really gotten used to the joystick, I mostly use the scrollers anyway.

In all, for the 6D I don't think you need to worry about ergonomics or build.

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2013, 07:23:51 PM »
Many of you know that I recently acquired a Canon 6D, and I have been asked by multiple posters both in the forum and by email to give my reasons why I made the decision I did.  I have wasted far too much time doing just that today  ;D

Here is the link to my website where I shared my findings:  http://www.dustinabbott.net/2013/02/why-i-chose-a-canon-eos-6d-over-a-5d-mkiii/

Also, if any of you are interested in adapting old M42 lens to the new 6D, here are my findings with my little kit of vintage glass:  http://www.dustinabbott.net/2013/02/the-new-canon-eos-6d-and-classic-m42-lens/

Disclaimer:  I have no intention of starting a flame war.  I believe that the 5D MK3 is overall the better camera and I intend to upgrade my MK2 to a MK3 down the road.  I came to the conclusions that I share for myself and felt those conclusions and hands on experiences might help others making a similar type decision.

No flame war here, I am a happy owner of the 5D3, I bought it in May last year. But having seen the 6D and played around with it together with reading the reviews, if I was to make the choice today I would have picked the 6D.

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2013, 07:23:51 PM »

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2013, 08:11:22 PM »
The 6D has better IQ/DR than a 5D3??  Citation?
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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2013, 08:52:07 PM »
Without reading your review, the number one reason people pick 6D over 5D III is the PRICE TAG.

Samething for Tammy 24-70 f2.8 VC over Canon f2.8 II
Don't be so sure. I've seen many who picked the 6D because it has better IQ (dynamic range, high ISO noise) than the 5D3.

Think about it - not everyone is fond of shooting sports and weddings. If "super duper AF" and FPS is not important, then why pay 1000 bucks more for a bigger and heavier camera, with less IQ? :) Yes, even if it is just marginally less.

To a lot of people (me included) IQ is the highest of all priorities.

Better IQ and higher ISO? that what current 6D owners want&wish to hear  ;D
I see. Well then, I guess there is no point in arguing with you, since you obviously don't know the facts.

But perhaps it's for the best.  :D

Since you said "you obviously don't know the facts", about you and I share some pictures from both cameras(6D Vs 5D III). In my comparsions, I DO NOT see 6D offers better DR than 5D III. Pictures were shots with 24-70 f2.8 II in mid afternoon, sunset, and some in extreme low light.

Are you willing to share your own shots, 6D Vs 5D III comparions? I'm more than willing to show you mines.

So much for not starting a flame war...lets all just agree to disagree.

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2013, 09:09:18 PM »
The 6D has better IQ/DR than a 5D3??  Citation?


Here are a couple, although I have read this in many reviews:  http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-6D-Digital-SLR-Camera-Review.aspx

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1171136

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/836|0/%28brand%29/Canon/%28appareil2%29/795|0/%28brand2%29/Canon/%28appareil3%29/483|0/%28brand3%29/Canon

http://www.petapixel.com/2012/12/13/canon-6d-and-5dmk3-noise-comparison-for-high-iso-long-exposures/

I have not owned or used a 5D3, so I can't speak from experience, but some pretty well established testing sites have come to the same conclusion regarding IQ and overall noise.  I can certainly attest to significantly (noticeably) superior results to my 5D2, which I am very familiar with.
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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2013, 09:13:39 PM »
DXO actually benchmarked the 6D sensor as being (marginally) better than the 5D3 (an 82 as compared to an 81).  This is the same score that they gave the 1Dx, so take that for what it is worth.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Publications/DxOMark-Reviews/Canon-EOS-6D-The-best-value-for-money-in-the-EOS-range/Measurement

They measure the dynamic range as 12.1 as compared to 11.7 stops for the 5D3. 

That being said, they do fawn over the new Nikon sensors in a somewhat unrealistic fashion, so, again, take it for what it is worth.  But these are real citations  ;D
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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2013, 09:16:31 PM »
Without reading your review, the number one reason people pick 6D over 5D III is the PRICE TAG.

Samething for Tammy 24-70 f2.8 VC over Canon f2.8 II
Don't be so sure. I've seen many who picked the 6D because it has better IQ (dynamic range, high ISO noise) than the 5D3.

Think about it - not everyone is fond of shooting sports and weddings. If "super duper AF" and FPS is not important, then why pay 1000 bucks more for a bigger and heavier camera, with less IQ? :) Yes, even if it is just marginally less.

To a lot of people (me included) IQ is the highest of all priorities.

Better IQ and higher ISO? that what current 6D owners want&wish to hear  ;D
I see. Well then, I guess there is no point in arguing with you, since you obviously don't know the facts.

But perhaps it's for the best.  :D

Since you said "you obviously don't know the facts", about you and I share some pictures from both cameras(6D Vs 5D III). In my comparsions, I DO NOT see 6D offers better DR than 5D III. Pictures were shots with 24-70 f2.8 II in mid afternoon, sunset, and some in extreme low light.

Are you willing to share your own shots, 6D Vs 5D III comparions? I'm more than willing to show you mines.

So much for not starting a flame war...lets all just agree to disagree.
Some people are more proned than others to start these wars pushing their opinions on people who haven't asked for them.

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2013, 09:18:08 PM »
DXO actually benchmarked the 6D sensor as being (marginally) better than the 5D3 (an 82 as compared to an 81).  This is the same score that they gave the 1Dx, so take that for what it is worth.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Publications/DxOMark-Reviews/Canon-EOS-6D-The-best-value-for-money-in-the-EOS-range/Measurement

They measure the dynamic range as 12.1 as compared to 11.7 stops for the 5D3. 

That being said, they do fawn over the new Nikon sensors in a somewhat unrealistic fashion, so, again, take it for what it is worth.  But these are real citations  ;D

I thought we didn't like DXO here  :P

Seriously, I'm sure most of us wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them.

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2013, 09:18:08 PM »

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2013, 10:14:25 PM »
Here's the thing. Everyone is coming into this thread already knowing that the 5D mark III is the better overall camera. But what I'm also seeing is people who need to justify their purchases again, and that's where all the flaming starts. The truth is, the 6D is a great full frame camera to build on, but it's not that far down below the 5D mark III, especially for normal use. The uneducated folks in this forum seem to use the word "rebelized" (a term which only applies to Americans, really) a lot, and probably never even used a rebel much less a 6D to actually feel and shoot photos with them to know the difference. Another misconception I notice is the justification of the 6D sensor being incrementally better. What is unknown to both DXO and someone who hasn't shot photos with both, is that the difference is barely if not at all seen in real world results. Fact is, the 5D mark III will always produce more keepers in some specific shooting conditions, and IQ is more than just nailing one good photo. IQ is also about nailing good photos all the time. And that's the main reason why people put the 6D down, not throwing into account that the 6D in general purpose will at least do more than half of the 5D mark III's job just as good. I.e if you're a landscape or macro/portrait shooter you will very rarely need the higher AF performance and will make up for it in a big way with its more robust, low noise, full frame sensor. That said, the 6D is doing quite well picking up from where the 5D mark II left off and the 5D mark III is a very good next generation camera.
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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2013, 10:32:53 PM »
Just noticed this in your review. You're perpetuating the myth that the 6D has less high ISO noise than the 5D3. This is simply not true. It's an optical illusion. The 6D has less color noise but more grain. Meaning that they actually will have identical levels of noise, as shown by tests, they just require different noise reduction settings. The 5D Mark III is just uglier unprocessed leading people to falsley conclude that it has less noise.

Also the 6D at iso 102400 is actually iso 70000 while the 5D Mark III is iso 77000,  and there are other discrepancies between the ISO ratings, so you need to correct both for wildly different noise charachter and wildly different ISO scales. When you do that, you'll find what every other qualified reviewer has said, the 6D has identical level of noise to the 5D Mark III. Anyone who claims otherwise is jumping to conclusions.

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2013, 10:32:53 PM »