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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #195 on: September 17, 2013, 03:14:07 PM »
damn both of you...lol!!!

changing subject...here a 6d with the 100 macro image...lol

Nice but um...what is that?

it's a metal tent post on top of a black metal grill top... we're getting those real chilly nights now so the dew has been prevalent.  shot this real close to the spike, with a cheap LED light set right behind the post...just playing around really, I like the very surreal what is that feel.  DOF is just sooooo freaking nutty with macro, hence why I do stuff like this, testing extremes.

Oh yes it's water droplets, my bad...they're so dark I wanted to see them as solid barnacles or something! 

This would have worked extremely well back in my photography class in college, where we did "closeup abstractions".  Back then there was only film, and the class was only black and white...because you know, it's not cool or artsy unless it's in black and white!  Also the color developing process was supposedly more involved (so that was an advanced class)...but I did it a lot in my parents' business back then anyway.

Yeah, back in  school when I learned all that stuff they wouldn't touch color - it was all black and white.

Oddly though ---this is a color image!  But the top of the grill was black, the spike was silver, and the color temp of the LED light was very cool ----cool white light, black grill top...looks like a black and white image!
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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #195 on: September 17, 2013, 03:14:07 PM »

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #196 on: September 18, 2013, 01:25:01 AM »
damn both of you...lol!!!

changing subject...here a 6d with the 100 macro image...lol

Nice but um...what is that?

it's a metal tent post on top of a black metal grill top... we're getting those real chilly nights now so the dew has been prevalent.  shot this real close to the spike, with a cheap LED light set right behind the post...just playing around really, I like the very surreal what is that feel.  DOF is just sooooo freaking nutty with macro, hence why I do stuff like this, testing extremes.

Oh yes it's water droplets, my bad...they're so dark I wanted to see them as solid barnacles or something! 

This would have worked extremely well back in my photography class in college, where we did "closeup abstractions".  Back then there was only film, and the class was only black and white...because you know, it's not cool or artsy unless it's in black and white!  Also the color developing process was supposedly more involved (so that was an advanced class)...but I did it a lot in my parents' business back then anyway.

Yeah, back in  school when I learned all that stuff they wouldn't touch color - it was all black and white.

Oddly though ---this is a color image!  But the top of the grill was black, the spike was silver, and the color temp of the LED light was very cool ----cool white light, black grill top...looks like a black and white image!

Yes it does almost look like a black and white image, but that's not what I was saying.  I know it's a color image!  I simply meant it would have worked well as a closeup abstraction...and that when I did it in my class, we had to use black and white film...and process and print it ourselves.  It's easier to achieve abstraction in black and white anyway, because color allows you to recognize things either...unless of course your eyes never see any color.

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #197 on: January 03, 2014, 03:37:36 PM »


Essential difference between the new full frame sensors is the pixel density.
18, 20, 22 mp. 
22 mp is sharper then 18 mp.18 mp is capturing more light, less noise. 18 mp clean up in post-work better than 22mp. 
It is a scientify information that everything has is limitation, read this as the sensor of canon at his limits. 
I got 3 x 40d, and in raw editing, with prime lenses, even at 1600, with good white balance and good exposure, i get more than excellent pictures.
The only problem is the print resolution.That is why i bought the 6d. Better iso, higher dynamic range, higher print resolution.
BUT DON'T FORGET: GETTING A GROUP OF 2 TO 4 PEOPLE SCHARP: crop sensor f5, 6; full sensor f8.0. VERY IMPORTANT!!!

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #198 on: January 04, 2014, 03:10:06 AM »
Essential difference between the new full frame sensors is the pixel density. 18, 20, 22 mp.

Canon ff only have 21mp (5d2), 22mp (5d3) and 20mp (6d), the little difference is there to easily recognize which camera is "better" and more expensive :-)

 
22 mp is sharper then 18 mp.18 mp is capturing more light, less noise. 18 mp clean up in post-work better than 22mp.

Ok, let's assume you're talking about 20mp vs 22mp full frame. Yes, each bigger *pixel* of 20mp captures a bit more light, but the *sensor* get the same, so you can just downsize a bit if you're very keen for a comparison. This tiny bit should be indistinguishable, other characteristics like banding are much more important.

As for more mp being less sharp: No, not if your top notch lens outresolves your sensor, I these things can easily handle 40mp. You're correct about old school lenses like the 50/1.8 at least wide open, I don't think adding more mp would improve the overall result so much it's worth it.[/quote]

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #199 on: January 04, 2014, 04:16:51 AM »
Essential difference between the new full frame sensors is the pixel density. 18, 20, 22 mp.

Canon ff only have 21mp (5d2), 22mp (5d3) and 20mp (6d), the little difference is there to easily recognize which camera is "better" and more expensive :-)


Are you cocking a snoop at the 18 mp 1Dx ?

Agree with your analyses of the prosumer line. Difference is just for marketing, but maybe 6D users gained a benefit.

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #200 on: January 04, 2014, 07:31:50 AM »
NOISE
I am not resizing any of the files of the different FF cams. I see them on screen as they were made.
- Friend has 1DX = 18mp = capturing more light = less noise at higher iso
- Friend has 5d Mark III = 22mp = capturing less light = more noise at higher iso
- I have 6d = 20mp = capturing more light = less noise at higher iso
Classification from less to more noise: 1DX (18mp), 6d (20mp), 5d Mark III (22mp)

SHARPNESS @ iso 100:
Reference image size = 1DX = 5184 x 3456, resizing the others to that image size
Classification from less to more sharpness @ iso 100: 1DX (18mp), 6d (20mp), 5d Mark III (22mp)

SHARPNESS @ iso 6400:
Reference image size = 1DX = 5184 x 3456, resizing the others to that image size
Classification from less to more sharpness @ iso 6400: 5d Mark III (22mp), 6d (20mp), 1DX (18mp)
The problem with going in the higher iso's is that the higher pixel densy sensor is noisier at full resolution, and the lower pixel density sensor is noise cleaner (less muddy) = sharper image.

I'm taking pictures in mostly dark rooms (read: seminars, congresses, colloquiums, meetings on international and European level).

I won't buy the 1DX, because i am not a professional photographer (I don't make a living of it). But I got extra paid in money and spare time by my boss for the extra service of photographing and Raw development time which I do at home.

The 40D (3x),  6D with 24-105, and sharp primes, and Tripod deliver me the pictures that people want, that they can use in magazines and on their websites.

The only reason I bought the 6D (still use you my 40D's) is better usable higher iso, higher dynamic range, higher print resolution.
(BUT DON'T FORGET: GETTING A GROUP OF 2 TO 4 PEOPLE SCHARP: crop sensor f5, 6; full sensor f8.0. VERY IMPORTANT!!!)

One thing very essential, always shoot raw, get an ips monitor or for mac Retina display (non glossy and calibrate the displays) and develop a raw work flow with your image treatment application at different iso settings for every different cam you got.

I'm not looking for an endless discussing, only writing my experience. Just hoping that it has some value for the people that need some extra info. :)

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #201 on: January 04, 2014, 11:57:18 AM »
I'm not looking for an endless discussing

You're in luck there, people WRITING IN CAPITALS usually are ignored sooner or later :->

Are you cocking a snoop at the 18 mp 1Dx ?

Wupps, you got me there, putting "less" in a "more" camera is so Canon-unlike this information refuses to stick :-o
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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #202 on: January 04, 2014, 02:07:16 PM »
I'm not looking for an endless discussing

You're in luck there, people WRITING IN CAPITALS usually are ignored sooner or later :->

Are you cocking a snoop at the 18 mp 1Dx ?

Wupps, you got me there, putting "less" in a "more" camera is so Canon-unlike this information refuses to stick :-o
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Sorry for the capitals. This is my first post ever on a forum.
Had the chance to handle the 1dx and the 5d III, and compare the original raw files from a friend. I just thought i could publish my experience here. I work as IT and am quite good in photoshop and publishing media.
At our photo club, there is no place for the words "cocking" or "Snooping" at a specific cam. Only the final picture counts without judging the cam. We only judge a cam if we are in the need of bying a new cam thats suites the purpose for his shooting. Thank you for your understanding.
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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #203 on: February 19, 2014, 09:26:37 PM »
Want to upgrade my 600D to FF. This post helps me a lot. thanks

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #204 on: February 28, 2014, 05:36:16 AM »
I'm not looking for an endless discussing

You're in luck there, people WRITING IN CAPITALS usually are ignored sooner or later :->

Are you cocking a snoop at the 18 mp 1Dx ?

Wupps, you got me there, putting "less" in a "more" camera is so Canon-unlike this information refuses to stick :-o
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Sorry for the capitals. This is my first post ever on a forum.
Had the chance to handle the 1dx and the 5d III, and compare the original raw files from a friend. I just thought i could publish my experience here. I work as IT and am quite good in photoshop and publishing media.
At our photo club, there is no place for the words "cocking" or "Snooping" at a specific cam. Only the final picture counts without judging the cam. We only judge a cam if we are in the need of bying a new cam thats suites the purpose for his shooting. Thank you for your understanding.

You bought the right camera for the job it seems like.

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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #205 on: February 28, 2014, 05:08:18 PM »
We have a rental business where we have Canon 5dMKII, 5dMKIII, 1Dx and I have a 6d personally. There is no doubt that the 5dMKIII is a better overall package to the 6d its AF system is far superior as is its construction and user menus, the joypad & jog stick are also far better. What is not so clear cut using the same lens is the IQ and in every technical test we have performed they simply cannot be seperated apart from low light where the 6d actually pips the 5dMKIII.
This is looking at both from a purely technical standpoint as each user will hold different views on ergonomics, weight etc. The 6d is not a camera for rental its simply not robust enough for everyday use or customisable enough but if this was a test simply about IQ they are equals but then why should that be an issue?
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Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« Reply #205 on: February 28, 2014, 05:08:18 PM »