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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2014, 10:49:01 AM »
The only issue... and this is minor at best... with the 600's and the st-e3 is knowing which flash is a and which is b... I know I can just look... but I get lazy and I say screw it... I just want a 2:1 ratio and I'm good enough.  But I'd like to be able to say... set off A alone... and I probably can do it... but how doesn't come to mind.

Put labels on the flashes, and/or have a system.  A is key, B is fill, C is hair/rim, D is background, etc.  You can disable groups from the master (I use the camera menus) – that's great for setting up, so you can optimize the power for each flash (e.g., the amount of fill) in isolation for each light, all without stepping away from the camera.

I usually put my a's to my left and in the alphabetical order going from left to right... but I was lazy yesterday and didn't feel like getting up from my kneeling position. 
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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2014, 10:49:01 AM »

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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2014, 12:38:28 PM »
ok, path selected...  Going with the 600's and the st-e3...fun fun fun!
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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2014, 02:28:16 PM »
Got my second 600 the other day, and I often choose ettl for the kids, because I get
Absolutely no second chances, or even a first chance most of the time. And they work really good in ettl. And HSS is always a problem solver at 1.4.

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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2014, 08:28:40 PM »
The only issue... and this is minor at best... with the 600's and the st-e3 is knowing which flash is a and which is b... I know I can just look... but I get lazy and I say screw it... I just want a 2:1 ratio and I'm good enough.  But I'd like to be able to say... set off A alone... and I probably can do it... but how doesn't come to mind.

Put labels on the flashes, and/or have a system.  A is key, B is fill, C is hair/rim, D is background, etc.  You can disable groups from the master (I use the camera menus) – that's great for setting up, so you can optimize the power for each flash (e.g., the amount of fill) in isolation for each light, all without stepping away from the camera.

I usually put my a's to my left and in the alphabetical order going from left to right... but I was lazy yesterday and didn't feel like getting up from my kneeling position. 

Press "test" button" on ste-e3 and the 600s will fire in sequence according to the groups they are assigned to.

Easy way to find out which group is which
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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2014, 08:33:38 PM »
The only issue... and this is minor at best... with the 600's and the st-e3 is knowing which flash is a and which is b... I know I can just look... but I get lazy and I say screw it... I just want a 2:1 ratio and I'm good enough.  But I'd like to be able to say... set off A alone... and I probably can do it... but how doesn't come to mind.

Put labels on the flashes, and/or have a system.  A is key, B is fill, C is hair/rim, D is background, etc.  You can disable groups from the master (I use the camera menus) – that's great for setting up, so you can optimize the power for each flash (e.g., the amount of fill) in isolation for each light, all without stepping away from the camera.

I usually put my a's to my left and in the alphabetical order going from left to right... but I was lazy yesterday and didn't feel like getting up from my kneeling position. 

Press "test" button" on ste-e3 and the 600s will fire in sequence according to the groups they are assigned to.

Easy way to find out which group is which

Only in Group Mode, and they fire pretty close together, but it is a nice feature.

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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2014, 08:36:45 PM »

Press "test" button" on ste-e3 and the 600s will fire in sequence according to the groups they are assigned to.

Easy way to find out which group is which

Fact, and I learned this; I learned also that your transmitter must be in group mode with each group in ETTL to fire groups D and E.

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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2014, 08:37:47 PM »
The only issue... and this is minor at best... with the 600's and the st-e3 is knowing which flash is a and which is b... I know I can just look... but I get lazy and I say screw it... I just want a 2:1 ratio and I'm good enough.  But I'd like to be able to say... set off A alone... and I probably can do it... but how doesn't come to mind.

Put labels on the flashes, and/or have a system.  A is key, B is fill, C is hair/rim, D is background, etc.  You can disable groups from the master (I use the camera menus) – that's great for setting up, so you can optimize the power for each flash (e.g., the amount of fill) in isolation for each light, all without stepping away from the camera.

I usually put my a's to my left and in the alphabetical order going from left to right... but I was lazy yesterday and didn't feel like getting up from my kneeling position. 

Press "test" button" on ste-e3 and the 600s will fire in sequence according to the groups they are assigned to.

Easy way to find out which group is which

Only in Group Mode, and they fire pretty close together, but it is a nice feature.

Indeed, sorry forgot to mention that
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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2014, 08:37:47 PM »

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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2014, 03:13:39 AM »
Turn a group off and you'll also find out, or use letter stickers.
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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2014, 04:52:50 AM »
Would you guys advice against getting the yongnuo st e3 to save a few bucks? Also, is there a reason why you cant get an st e3 receiver/transceiver?
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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2014, 07:48:53 AM »
Would you guys advice against getting the yongnuo st e3 to save a few bucks? Also, is there a reason why you cant get an st e3 receiver/transceiver?

There's a thread discussing the st-e3.  With flash... you want it to work everytime... otherwise you will miss a shot that maybe that means you lose money... or maybe you just simply lose the shot and you are cursing under your breath a little. 

Either way, the canon st-e3-rt works... beautifully... every time.  The yongnuo... according to others... doesn't. 
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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2014, 08:38:09 AM »
Would you guys advice against getting the yongnuo st e3 to save a few bucks? Also, is there a reason why you cant get an st e3 receiver/transceiver?

For me, a key benefit of the Canon -RT system is reliability.  Personally, I wouldn't compromise that with a YN transmitter.

There's no receiver because it's really not in Canon's best interest to make something that allows cheap, 3rd party flashes to be added (but I wish they would, to add in monolights).
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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2014, 09:02:12 AM »
Would you guys advice against getting the yongnuo st e3 to save a few bucks? Also, is there a reason why you cant get an st e3 receiver/transceiver?

I have both, the saving on money is small compared to your camera and flashes (and lenses) the ONLY reason to consider the YN-E3-RT is if you have pre 2012 bodies, otherwise forget it completely. If you do have pre 2012 bodies get both for when you really want to play with Group mode.

In my experience the YN-E3-RT is not a substitute for the ST-E3-RT, just a compliment for pre 2012 bodies.

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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2014, 01:19:21 PM »
TY to those who nudged me towards the 600/st-e3 system.  So far I'm really liking it.  The controls on the ste-3 arre a little hard to get used to but I'm getting the hang of it.  the biggest bonus so far is the ability to do high speed sync off camera - that's been one of my biggest issues lately - yeah I know you can stop down to keep things within the 1/200th limit, but, I'd rather have more control over my depth of field - and I do like shooting wide open (or close to it) - so having the ability to high speed sync off camera is quite awesome!

I forget who mentioned it, but, yeah, I do feel like I need to label my flashes now because it is easy to set them up then wonder which one is A and which one is B and which one is C....lol
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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2014, 01:19:21 PM »

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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2014, 01:32:11 PM »
I sold both my 600's and the st-e3. I bought the Godox AD360 instead, and a new amp for my car, lol.

But my 1dx is in for repair since forever and I will probably not see it before the snow gets here by the looks of it, so haven't tried it yet. It's kind of hard to sit and watch my spanking new ProFoto 90cm (3') Octa and the new flash and have nothing to shoot with...
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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2014, 04:45:21 PM »
Would you guys advice against getting the yongnuo st e3 to save a few bucks? Also, is there a reason why you cant get an st e3 receiver/transceiver?

For me, a key benefit of the Canon -RT system is reliability.  Personally, I wouldn't compromise that with a YN transmitter.

There's no receiver because it's really not in Canon's best interest to make something that allows cheap, 3rd party flashes to be added (but I wish they would, to add in monolights).

If my livelihood depended on it I would  go Canon all the way.  For me at this stage in my photography  (I do automotive product photography as a secondary business) I find the YN stuff to be quite good.  the three YN flashes and four 622 triggers haven't missed a beat. solid performers on my 5D3.   no experience with their YN-E3-RT  though -- I'd be careful there as I'm hearing it may have pushed to market too soon.  gotta be careful with the reverse engineered stuff. 

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Re: to 600rt + st-e3 or not....
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2014, 04:45:21 PM »