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Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2013, 07:07:03 PM »
So, I've settled for now on buying a used Canon 7D ($850) and a used Canon 10-22 EF-S ($600) to go with my 18-55 EF-S and 70-300 EF. With Tax that will max out my current camera savings (and I may have to throw a bit on top to make it actually fit the budget).


I'm not sure why the 7D is preferred over the 60D.  7D shoots per shots per second... but that doesn't sound like it is a factor is what you shoot save for the kids, but 5.3 per second v. 8 isn't a crazy huge difference. 

You can get a used 60D in newish condition for around $600.  It lacks AFMA, but for wide angle photography, it's not a big deal because you can use live view to focus on your subject, but normally shots are taken on a tripod with longer exposure times.  So that is a non-factor. 

As for the wide angle... I'd lean toward the Tokina 11-16.  That can be found for around $530.  I know people really like the 10-22... I'm not a fan of wide angle, and in the grand scheme of things, most wide angle f/2.8's are still shot at f/8 or higher... so the f/2.8 isn't a big factor.  But I think there is better value in that. 

So you would spend 1450 with a 7D and a 10-22.  But if you get a 60D and an 11-16, you are looking at 1130 and saving $320. 

With a spare $320... I'd try and sell your 18-55 for around $50 and getting up to $370.  Save a few extra bucks and then get a 15-85mm for around $543 (plus tax).  The quality over the 18-55 is TREMENDOUS. 

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Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2013, 07:07:03 PM »

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Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2013, 07:09:54 PM »
7D will be a huge update from Rebel XT. You will not be disappointed. AF is fast and much advanced. You will be able to shoot sports/action.

10-22 lens will serve well when shooting landscape. After saving a while, you can upgrade your other lenses as well i.e. 18-55 to 17-55 f/2.8 or 24-70 f/2.8.

Also, keep in mind that if 7D2 ever comes, it will priced at same price as $6D, may be even more.

Yeah, those are great lens upgrades, but I'm gonna guess it is way out of this guys price range for at least 3 years. 
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Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2013, 07:16:16 PM »
Having waited from 2005, don't saddle yourself with a camera that is several years old now.

7d2, whenever it arrives, will be t a premium for at least six months from the release date,  so may not be an option. But 6D already in the market and will come down in price a bit in a few months. Might be well worth the wait.

Rent for your upcoming trips in the interim as you save for a few months and as prices drop.  May also be a good way to try these bodies out without committing. Cheers.

First of all, when the 7d mkii comes out, it will be more than the 7D when it was first released.  Per Canon price watch, it launched at $1700 in 2010.  So I'm going to guess the mkii version is going to be around $1950 for at least 6 months.  That's ridiculous that he gets that when his needs don't warrant it.
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Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2013, 07:19:54 PM »
Go with the 7D now to start enjoying it ASAP!

I went from an XT to 7D several years ago and noted many useful advantages:
- more and faster AF points (check the web to see articles where 7D focus sensor is MUCH larger than the red box onscreen which can cause focus not to be exactly where you think it is)
- faster frame rate allows a better chance of actually capturing the action you want
- more solid rugged body feels better in hand with better control layout
- more pixels allowing creative cropping to get the framing you want while maintaining detail
- much larger ISO range (including AUTO) which allowed me to take better high ISO shots in varying low light while setting the aperature and shutter speed I want.
- top screen which allows a rapid check of camera settings
- larger brighter viewfinder (100%) which allows you to see exactly what is going to end up in the picture and not guess about the edges
- larger brighter back LCD screen
I agree with all that, but the 60D has all of that except for the 100% viewfinder but it does have an articulating lcd screen which helps substantially when shooting video. 
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Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2013, 07:32:08 PM »
8) I'm done waiting... I held out for a possible 70D announcement this past week, but when that came and went with no sign of such a camera I pulled the trigger on an used 7D today got it for $850 +$40 shipping. Just under 8K on the shutter.

Now to start saving for a good EF-S lens to match.

Thanks for everyones input.
Kudos.  I guess I was late to the party, but you will be happy with the 7D... It's an great camera.
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Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2013, 08:36:50 PM »

Be sure to check the shutter actuations,  unfortunately some sellers just throw out a guess.  Where are you getting it from that cost $40 to ship?  Or is it being overnighted.

It should be a good camera for a long time to come.
 
The 15-85mm EF-s is about $500 right now at canon direct (refurb).  Its a nice lens.  I sold my 7D but kept my lens for now, I may decide to get another crop camera for a 2nd body depending on what appears.

The shutter count was taken from a screenshot, could be faked I know, but I have to put some trust in the seller.

The shipping was for "Expedited Shipping (Canada Post Expedited Parcel)" (about 3 days). It was the only option available from the seller, but because it's shipping within Canada I avoid any possible border duty/taxes. This was my main reason for not trying to buy one from the USA or overseas.
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Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2013, 08:42:14 PM »
Kudos.  I guess I was late to the party, but you will be happy with the 7D... It's an great camera.

Thanks. I definitely want to look at upgrading the lens kit after this. I did look at the 60D, but in the end I thought the build quality (ruggedness) of the 7D was better for my needs. I was hoping to see a 70D announcement that might be in my price range, but in the end I decided to keep my budget under $1000 and I doubt a new 70D with tax would be under $1000 when ever it is announced.

That said my long term goal is to get to a 5d Mark III, so I think the 7D will be a good filler for a few years while the prices of a used 5D Mark III keep dropping.

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Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2013, 08:42:14 PM »

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Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2013, 09:08:26 PM »
So what do you think? Will it fit my needs, will it be a good upgrade for the cost? or should I hold off and see what happens to the price of the 7D, if a 7DMII is announced in the next couple of months?

Thanks, here's a small sample of some of the photos I take if that helps.

I think that seems like a reasonable choice. Your emphasis on glass is the right one. If you go full frame, you start several hundred dollars behind (even if you get a used 5DII) and you also need to find yourself a kit lens. So then you start close to $1000- behind, just to replicate your existing setup.

You could possibly save a little by going to an XXD series body, but then you'd lose the AF performance and possibly AFMA (depending on which body you use). Though for your current glass selection that's really a moot point. But overall I'd say don't go higher than the 7D for a body given your budget.

There are a bunch of obvious upgrade possibilities that would probably get you further than upgrading the body (from a 7D that is) --  upgrade the kit lens (either a 15-85mm IS, or a third party f / 2 . 8 zoom ) add a faster lens (e.g. 50mm f/1.4 or an 85mm) for portraits, and a decent tripod for the landscape photos, upgrade the telephoto lens (the possibilities here are endless ... ). Full frame wouldn't hurt but glass will help more (and hold its value much better than a body)
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Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2013, 09:15:33 PM »
good choice!  I made the same jump (from 350D to 7D) a year ago, and it's a massive leap forward in tech.  the 7D (as many others have mentioned) is a brilliant camera - it was well ahead of its time when it was released.  the other part of your choice that is smart: you have made the decision to invest in good glass.  if there is one thing i have learned in the past few years - good glass is worth investing in and will almost certainly make a bigger difference in your results than purchasing the latest camera body.
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Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2013, 10:14:12 PM »
Kudos.  I guess I was late to the party, but you will be happy with the 7D... It's an great camera.

Thanks. I definitely want to look at upgrading the lens kit after this. I did look at the 60D, but in the end I thought the build quality (ruggedness) of the 7D was better for my needs. I was hoping to see a 70D announcement that might be in my price range, but in the end I decided to keep my budget under $1000 and I doubt a new 70D with tax would be under $1000 when ever it is announced.

That said my long term goal is to get to a 5d Mark III, so I think the 7D will be a good filler for a few years while the prices of a used 5D Mark III keep dropping.

For what it is worth, I think $2500 is the butter zone for the mkiii and where it will stay for the life of the camera... until the mk iv comes outs.  That's a bit of a guess, but if you look at the 5d mkii, the price before the mkiii was on its way was $2200 and I think a $300 premium for a really substantial upgrade seems more than fair.  Actually, $2600 would be fair... but I only want to pay $2500. 

There's a deal right now, but there's an itch that I think I can do better and get the price down just a bit more... I hope I'm right, otherwise I just let a good deal pass by.

Also, I wasn't discussing it earlier, but if your XT still works, you can probably sell that for maybe $200 used... it really depends on how many people want to jump into the SLR pool but hope their skills make up for the extreme lack of technology.
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Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2013, 10:14:12 PM »