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ankorwatt

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Re: Canon 60D vs Nikon D7100 - 2 Problems I Noticed with the Nikon D7100
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2013, 09:20:29 PM »
As I said. ask the _suede. He has  has  tested all light sources from bulb  light to  halogen and  with all  modern SLRs  CFA. I have send him a e-mail , we will se if he has time to join
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Re: Canon 60D vs Nikon D7100 - 2 Problems I Noticed with the Nikon D7100
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Re: Canon 60D vs Nikon D7100 - 2 Problems I Noticed with the Nikon D7100
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2013, 09:34:36 PM »
Here is a frame grab of the actual video - Canon 60D on the left, Nikon D7100 on the right. The Nikon image has an unattractive cast to it - not sure if you classify it as yellow or green. The Canon image is more accurate color wise and produces a slightly sharper picture, but there is moire present on the box in the Canon 60D video that's not present on the D7100 video.

Going back to my original photos of the LCD Screens - realize that the soft image you see on the Nikon D7100 LCD Screen is as good as it gets - I was focusing using a Zacuto Z-Finder and the focus was accurate - the Nikon in zoom mode produces an unacceptably soft image on the LCD that is pathetic for focusing.

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Re: Canon 60D vs Nikon D7100 - 2 Problems I Noticed with the Nikon D7100
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2013, 10:10:57 PM »
well one is to red, the other  to yellow, none is right.  try  the same experiment  in another light source and se whats happens.
why not make a WB against a well known white surface as a reference card?

and regarding what you seen on the LCD, it is profile dependent, and Canon has a higher sharpening default
so you can not make any conclusion with out look at the parameters you have in the camera

and, all tre cameras I used yesterday, d800, 5dmk3 and 1dx had  different view of the light  and WB inside the church
and I don't know the Kelvin, if it is  2750, 3100,3150 with out measuring or have the qp-card with me, than can PS estimate the K value
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Re: Canon 60D vs Nikon D7100 - 2 Problems I Noticed with the Nikon D7100
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2013, 11:42:13 PM »
No more experiments for me - I sold the Nikon D7100 the next day and decided to stick with Canon.

The Nikon D7100 had all of the default settings and I believe it was on Standard Profile. If there's a way to get the Live View Zoom mode to work better for focusing, I'd like to know about it.

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Re: Canon 60D vs Nikon D7100 - 2 Problems I Noticed with the Nikon D7100
« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2013, 07:06:12 AM »
OK, if you had  tried adjust  the black and  white the results looks like this from your jpg file
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Re: Canon 60D vs Nikon D7100 - 2 Problems I Noticed with the Nikon D7100
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2013, 04:47:40 PM »
No doubt the Nikon has some problems, but then so does the Canon. Both of them are incorrect in their color rendering, but the Nikon camera usually tend in one direction (pulling yellow, orange and red towards the "clockwise" if you think of colors as in a color circle) and Canon in the other. Canon usually pulls orange, red, purple and blue in towards the red center, making yellow>orange and form the other direction; blue>purple.

Neither camera is usable for "good" color straight out of the box in full automatic settings, but it could be argued the Canon errs in a more pleasant way (on which I agree).

Absolute color temperatures, in the way that camera manufacturers indicate them by "Kelvin" simply does not exist. At least they're very rare, the one true example you can find out in reality nowadays are high-efficiency halogen bulbs. Anything other than this has a +/- green/magenta tint away from the CCT line of "Kelvin color temperature".

Shooting in the most common light indoors today, fluorescents, you have a very distinct tint towards green if you don't compensate for the errors induced by the light. This is exactly what SHOULD happen.

My guess is that Canon partly compensates for this out-of-the box, which can be seen if you shoot something in true 3000K light - here the Canon cameras turn very much to red.

That said, Canon is vastly better in the way it allows you to download color-compensation into the camera (it's the jpg-engine that handles raw-color conversion for movies and LV) via the Canon Profile Editor. If you want production quality color straight out of the camera, this is the only way to go. Nikon has no such possibility, you need to correct colors in post-production to get accurate results. This in-camera adjustments only allow for WB finetuning, not for real color correction.

WB is not the same as color correction. It is the first part of color correction, but the main part of heavy lifting happens later, in the color conversion of the raw file. WB balances the average strengths of three unknown raw channels, the rest of the profile translates the result into human-vision based color.

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Re: Canon 60D vs Nikon D7100 - 2 Problems I Noticed with the Nikon D7100
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2013, 04:47:40 PM »