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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2013, 06:18:55 PM »
One way of looking at the upcoming Canon product line is to posit that the order in which the flagships were introduced was flipped...

1) 1D mark IV was replaced by 1DX ...a faster lower MP body (yes it happens to be full frame and not APS-H)
2) 1Ds mark III is yet to be truly replaced...though canon earlier claimed that 1DX is that replacement...I think the rumored higher MP body (1DsX?) is the real candidate that is destined to occupy the slot left vaccant by 1Ds Mark III.

The anticipated higher MP body (1DsX?) could likely have ~35-45MP, lower fps, 1DX metering and AF, other 1 series perks, and if you buy into this hypothesis, we can expect the price range to be pegged higher than the current 1DX, at may be $7.5 K to $8.5K, not that far from its original predecessors. They may throw in a few bonuses like GPS and wifi...while pro's were never really dying for such features, they won't say no to it either if offered.

Whatever its final form, this new entry is bound to be a substantive body with an impressive feature list.
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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2013, 06:18:55 PM »

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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2013, 06:32:30 PM »

And as you said elsewhere on this site, without high fps, you can't take good photos :P

Obviously the mods removing your previous remark and susequent rebuttals to the same effect wasn't sufficient to prevent you from having another go at the expired horse....

Thank you for your insightful comment. Now would you like to comment on the topic of the 5Dx/4D?

...and thank you for flagrantly misrepresenting what I said.  Now would you like to provide a link to where I stated, "Without high fps, you can't take good photos," or, perhaps you'd like to suggest that the 5Dx/4D will actually be a lens, and not a camera?
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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2013, 06:35:24 PM »
Canon can call it whatever it wants, but the product line can certainly benefit from a true successor to the 1DsIII. I have no use for a mega megapixel body, but know lots of people that are still hanging on to their 1DsIIIs because neither the 1Dx or 5DIII are compelling enough reasons to trade them in.

IMHO, it makes more sense to build a high megapixel body around the 5D platform, as the 1-series build quality and form factor are overkill for studio work. A lot of the used 1DsIII bodies on ebay have well over 100,000 clicks but look practically new.   

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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2013, 09:29:18 AM »
Canon can call it whatever it wants, but the product line can certainly benefit from a true successor to the 1DsIII. I have no use for a mega megapixel body, but know lots of people that are still hanging on to their 1DsIIIs because neither the 1Dx or 5DIII are compelling enough reasons to trade them in.

IMHO, it makes more sense to build a high megapixel body around the 5D platform, as the 1-series build quality and form factor are overkill for studio work. A lot of the used 1DsIII bodies on ebay have well over 100,000 clicks but look practically new.

seems about right. wise words. for studio use you won't need a brick...
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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2013, 10:05:37 AM »
IMHO, it makes more sense to build a high megapixel body around the 5D platform, as the 1-series build quality and form factor are overkill for studio work. A lot of the used 1DsIII bodies on ebay have well over 100,000 clicks but look practically new.

seems about right. wise words. for studio use you won't need a brick...
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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2013, 10:14:22 AM »
What's in a name?  But in the case of Canon it matters.

If the new body were a new series altogether, it shall need to be substantially different from the 5d series. It can't be only a simple MP upgrade.

Personally, I expect it to be a 5Ds and not a 5Dx.
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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2013, 10:36:38 AM »
IMHO, it makes more sense to build a high megapixel body around the 5D platform, as the 1-series build quality and form factor are overkill for studio work. A lot of the used 1DsIII bodies on ebay have well over 100,000 clicks but look practically new.

seems about right. wise words. for studio use you won't need a brick...

To think that the high MP offering will be housed in a 5D-range body, or 5D-like body, or anywhere within the vicinity of 5D3 price (even double) is a pipe-dream in Technicolor.

It will be a 1 series or "1-series-like".
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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2013, 10:36:38 AM »

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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2013, 12:03:29 PM »
Either way, high MP will mean low fps.

And as you said elsewhere on this site, without high fps, you can't take good photos :P

According to dilbert: high fps gives you more chances to have good photos = without high fps, you can't take good photos  ::)
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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2013, 12:07:14 PM »

And as you said elsewhere on this site, without high fps, you can't take good photos :P

Obviously the mods removing your previous remark and susequent rebuttals to the same effect wasn't sufficient to prevent you from having another go at the expired horse....

Thank you for your insightful comment. Now would you like to comment on the topic of the 5Dx/4D?

...and thank you for flagrantly misrepresenting what I said.  Now would you like to provide a link to where I stated, "Without high fps, you can't take good photos," or, perhaps you'd like to suggest that the 5Dx/4D will actually be a lens, and not a camera?

but, but, ... Neuro, you promised stop beating that horse  ;D
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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2013, 12:13:21 PM »
but, but, ... Neuro, you promised stop beating that horse  ;D

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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2013, 12:56:52 PM »

And as you said elsewhere on this site, without high fps, you can't take good photos :P

Obviously the mods removing your previous remark and susequent rebuttals to the same effect wasn't sufficient to prevent you from having another go at the expired horse....

Thank you for your insightful comment. Now would you like to comment on the topic of the 5Dx/4D?

My comment was about as insightful and relevent to the topic as your repeated belittling of anybody who wishes to use high speed burst on their camera. Don't want to use it yourself? Fine. But don't REPEATEDLY preach to the rest of us that by using it it somehow makes us devoid of any skill.
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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2013, 01:21:07 PM »
Seems strange to me that Nikon didn't offer a mRAW and/or sRAW on their D800. To me it suggests they're slightly out of touch with what people actually want

I can only speculate on what drives the purchasing decisions of other people.  From my experience of owning alll the 5D series of Canon cameras as well as most of the xxD series as well as a Nikon D800 and D800E, I have never needed to use a small raw format ever.  However I do find that the various cropping sizes on the D800 are very useful.  The most useful is that I can use full frame or aps-c lenses on the same camera.  This would be revolutionary for Canon.  But what Canon could do is to allow DX (aps-c) crop mode on an full frame camera.

Where do I use it.  Let us say I'm using my 300mm for a landscape shot accross a bay and then I spot an some wildlife where I need a longer reach.  I can quickly go into crop mode and choose the amount of crop by choosing the image area thereby saving the file in a smaller raw file as well as having a faster FPS.  Canon could do this but so far they haven't because their full frame cameras don't have enough MP to do the crop and still have enough MP for the frame.  Someday will really high MP, perhaps all cameras will allow a digital crop size so you can get any framing that you want (maybe even square - Nikon D800 has a very pleasant 5x4 format choice that saves some Raw size).

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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2013, 01:26:56 PM »
Seems strange to me that Nikon didn't offer a mRAW and/or sRAW on their D800. To me it suggests they're slightly out of touch with what people actually want

I never use small or medium raw, nor do I know why anyone would. The point of raw is non-processed information; down-interpolation is processing.
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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2013, 01:42:18 PM »
You repeatedly insisted that high fps were required to take good photos and that skill was no replacement for this which obviously leads one to conclude that you're insisting that high fps is required to get good photos.

Link, please?  In particular, when did I state that one could not get good photos without high FPS?  Pity you don't seem to understand the difference between 'helpful' and 'required'.  I can't help if you draw completely bogus conclusions from my statements, but please do not misrepresent what I'm actually writing.   
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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2013, 05:38:48 PM »
Seems strange to me that Nikon didn't offer a mRAW and/or sRAW on their D800. To me it suggests they're slightly out of touch with what people actually want

I never use small or medium raw, nor do I know why anyone would. The point of raw is non-processed information; down-interpolation is processing.

Different strokes.  mRAW is what I shoot the majority of the time because full RAW is overkill.  That gets right back to the point of the other reply I left here, that I hope this would be a spit in either the 1d or 5d line - not a replacement.  There are many of us who don't need mega giant files.  The 5d3 is a great all around camera workhorse.

Crop mode would be kind of useless for me as the vast vast majority of the time I want the FOV of a FF camera.  With the exception of the formal portraits, anything more than mRAW is overkill.  I'm not swaying there isn't a time and a place for what a mega mp body can do, but for me the benefits just aren't there.  plus there is the extra $$$$$ that would need to be spent on CF cards, HD's and upgrading my PC because as a wedding shooter something like the d800 would triple/quadruple the the overall memory used.  Hell, if it takes 20 minutes to transfer 16 to my computer - on a d800 I would need at least 4 more 16 gig cards - that's over an hour extra just to get the files on the computer.  Then comes the culling, which again will take much longer.  The majority of these shots will only be printed up to 5x7, so yeah, mega MP is overkill.  Unneeded for me. 

Spit the line - a mega mp body will not kill 5d3 sales as each cam is meant for different things (same goes for 1D series, sports shooters for sure woud rather have fps that MP).     
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Re: What if the rumored 5Dx is actually a 4D?
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