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Re: lens recommendation soccer
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2013, 08:18:27 PM »
I'd recommend the 70-300mm L - which is sharper (especially at the tele end), better AF, more contrast and superior IS and a bit 'faster' than the nonL lens at the same focal lengths.

On a crop body (eg T2i or 7D, etc) - it's effectively a 480mm, which- when having decent amount of MP (18MP) still allows a decent crop.

I find 70-200mm short for such outdoor sports, though of course the constant f/2.8 is handy for stopping action.

Otherwise going for a large prime (eg 300mm f/2.8 or 400mm f/2.8) is going to cost you a lot more money. I love my 70-300mm L for outdoor work... both occasional sports - and great as a walk around wildlife lens too.

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Re: lens recommendation soccer
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2013, 08:18:27 PM »

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Re: lens recommendation soccer
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2013, 08:52:08 PM »
I'm considering putting together a kit for reach with my 6D.  I'm looking at the 300 f/4 IS with 1.4 or the 400 5.6.  Im not sure which set up would give me the best sharpness.  I'm also planning on shooting indoor events where I may not be able to get close to the stage, which is why I considered the IS.  I'll be renting one of the lenses and was wondering if anyone had experience with either.
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Re: lens recommendation soccer
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2013, 05:37:18 PM »
Ok another update:  It has been 2 months until my eldest had a soccer game in the daytime without severe cloud cover.  So I tried a few combinations

6D 70-200 , 6D 70-200 with 1.4 III, 6d 100-400 and 2ti 100-400.

so here it goes.
6d 70-200 not enough reach for much of the field.  If close to where i'm stationed then fine but not really enough close predictable action.  Maybe good for infield baseball or indoor soccer.

6d 70-200 with 1.4 III.  better reach but still not enough and trading some decreased IQ and I just have a harder time holding it.  not sure why and  decreased focusing speed

2ti 100-400:  Too much reach for me at this point.  Maybe if I were better...I just need to see more of the action and then crop later as needed but the game just moves too fast

6d 100-400:  have to say in the end this was the clear winner in sufficient light.  Reach enough for most of the field.  The push pull is fast to change FOV and soccer is very unpredictable.  I wish it were better in low light but on a hazy bright day I shot at F4-5.6, ISO 400 and shutter speed never dropped below 1/1000 and often was higher.  Of course that means I'm going to need to buy this lens of a pal. 

Yes I know that the 300 2.8 with 1.4iii or 400 2.8 would be better but so would a 1dx and I don't have that kind of cash.  I might rent an older model 300 2.8 for fun one of these days but even those are >3.5K to purchase and for $55 a  weekend I could rent it for 4-5 weekends a year for the next 15 years for less money than buying a used one.

I know that a lot of people complain about the push pull but I can quickly move from about 200 to 400 and follow the action.  I imagine in a more predictable sport that would be less beneficial. 

well anyway, that's the current state of affairs
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Re: lens recommendation soccer
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2013, 01:57:33 AM »
bump

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Re: lens recommendation soccer
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2013, 08:09:08 AM »

why not both? 6d+70-200 will give you awesome, high IQ shots when your subjects are close enough. Have the 75-300 on the t2i as a second body, IQ won't be as great but you'll have the reach for shots on the other side of the field!

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That's exactly what I was thinking.
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Re: lens recommendation soccer
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2013, 05:38:08 PM »
OK, this is an update;  the fall season just ended.

For the most part I used the borrowed 100-400 with the 6D and during the daytime it was a great combination.  For night games I put he 70-200 ii on and let the action come to me.

I did rent a 300 2.8 and it was a lot better...even took pictures at night but I don't have that kind of cash. 

I did try to have two cameras going occasionally but it never worked for me.  (though it does improve the chances of going anywhere you want on the field without anyone bothering you). 

I'm sure a new 100-400 when it comes out will be great...it will also be 2500 and I can likely get a used 100-400 for 1000. 
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Re: lens recommendation soccer
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2013, 11:56:12 PM »
OK, this is an update;  the fall season just ended.

For the most part I used the borrowed 100-400 with the 6D and during the daytime it was a great combination.  For night games I put he 70-200 ii on and let the action come to me.

I did rent a 300 2.8 and it was a lot better...even took pictures at night but I don't have that kind of cash. 

I did try to have two cameras going occasionally but it never worked for me.  (though it does improve the chances of going anywhere you want on the field without anyone bothering you). 

I'm sure a new 100-400 when it comes out will be great...it will also be 2500 and I can likely get a used 100-400 for 1000.

I used my 70-200 2.8 II with a 2x III extender on my 6D to shoot a few of my nephews soccer games this fall and was happy with the combination.  This lens is so good, even with the IQ and light loss with the extender, the quality is still very good.  I've considered buying a 100-400, 70-300L or 400 5.6, but don't really use focal lengths above 200mm often, so had trouble justifying the expense. 

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Re: lens recommendation soccer
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2013, 11:56:12 PM »

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Re: lens recommendation soccer
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2013, 04:45:09 AM »
Soccer is difficult, because of the size of the pitch. There is no such thing as a universal lens to cover it all. If you try to shoot everything, you may end up with nothing.

I normally chose what part of the pitch I would be looking for pictures from. In your case, I am assuming you would want pictures of your kids, so it depends on which position they play. If you read the game properly, you should be able to get good shots with your 70-200, with the right shooting position. That's the one I used the most. An advantage of these kind of games is that you can normally move freely around the pitch and get the best possible positions.

If you win the lottery and can buy a 200-400 f4L IS 1.4x, that will do a better job for some parts, but you would still need to complement with the 70-200.
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Re: lens recommendation soccer
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2013, 08:09:56 AM »
If you're shooting for small prints and online, then the 70-200 or 70-200 with 1.4xiii should work well...just crop more.  The af speed and accuracy, sharpness, and zoom range make the 70-200 the best sport lens ever.  IMO

As Eldar wrote, you can't effectively cover the whole field, so just try to cover the side/area closest to you....and make those shots awesome.

Someday, when looking back on soccer season 2013, do you really want/need hundreds of decent shots or would you rather have a couple dozen awesome shots?   My point is that the 7o-200 combo will get you more of the "awesome" images compared to the other combos you listed.


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Re: lens recommendation soccer
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2013, 11:31:32 AM »
I have shot my kids playing soccer with both lenses mentioned, both on a crop body. My opinion is that it depends on the size of the field/pitch. The fields are generally much smaller for the lower age groups and I found the 70 end (effective 112mm on crop) to be too long for much of the field closest to me, especially if trying to capture multiple players in action, but imagine it would about perfect on FF.

The larger fields on which the U14-U16 teams play would render the 70-200 a tad short much of the time. That said, the shots I got with my 70-200 2.8 II were so far superior that I sold the 70-300 (non-L). As mentioned previously by others I found careful sideline positioning to be the best method for capturing what I was looking to capture. I am considering the 300mm L 4.0....

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Re: lens recommendation soccer
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2013, 03:07:43 PM »
I live in Brazil, and I know well the difficulty of photographing football on a field official size (giant). The only option that allows decent pictures of your side of the field, and also on the opposite side, is use two bodies, and two lenses with focal length quite different. For example, 6D + 24-105 (closer to you) and other combination T2i + 55-250 STM (away from you). If have good lighting would not be a limiting factor to use dark lenses. Obviously, if the budget allows 70-300L will do fine on your 7D. Stay away from 75-300mm, it will surely disappoint you. I do not understand how Canon still manufactures such a lens, which was acceptable at the time the cameras were only 3 megapixel.
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Re: lens recommendation soccer
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