EOS M Autofocus Performance Won't Improve via Firmware [CR2]

[wickidwombat]

what I dont get is
when you use touch to shoot the AF is just fine
when you use it in a studio with studio strobes even using the shutter button the AF speed is about on par with a rebel (this is EFM 18-55 vs 600D with EF-S 18-55)

Putting a Pocket Wizard in the hot-shoe improves focus that's beyond wiered. Does using a flash in the hot-shoe also improve auto-focus

Next time I'm over at Calumet I'll check this out. I always have several Pocket Wizands with me. I'd mainly use an EOS M for studio work, so this could be workable
 

I plan on using mine for video and timelapse mostly the kit lens is sharp stopped down and has IS so is pretty good for this, the 22mm is a great little lens too

I've gotten impatient and installed the ML alpha on it now and its looking pretty good so far!

Be sure to post a link to your video tests.

I dont use pocket wizards I just tested it with the elinchrom skyport trigger and the phottix odin (the odin is funny since the odin controller is nearly the same size as the camera. (neither of these triggers have any AF assist.)

it was very odd becasue it completely failed using touch to focus in studio (since the screen was black! so you have to guess! so its unusable for this

So i went back to trying the shutter button and was amazed at how much faster it seemed
i was really only aiming to compare image quality of the 600D and kit lens vs the EOS-M and its kit lens
so I was quite suprised when there was really not much of a difference in the AF performance between the 2 in a controlled setting

the 18-55 EF-M lens leaves the 18-55 EF-S lens for dead as far as image quality goes
as I said its sharp stopped down and has great IS for video i think its a decent little combo that has very little weight. I do need to have a more deicated play with ML but so far have encountered no problems using the alpha version.

[RLPhoto]

I really doubt Canon won't take the advantage of a firmware update to try to market it as an AF improvement and then leave it as an unquantifiable statement about improved AF.

It is funny how many people knew this would be a stinker before it saw the inside of a showroom.  1st gen is not an excuse  - I would have fired the people who let a subpar product see light of day.  We are too kind to these people and show way too much loyalty.

I have been on the sidelines with my Rebel Xsi because I am a casual photographer and don't need this equipment to earn my living.  I will continue to wait one more cycle to see if Canon can fix AF issues with the Rebel, M series or the 6D and not keep making silly mistakes (one point AF on 6D)  - if the next product does not deliver then I guess Sony or Nikon will be getting my money.

EP-1?
X100?
X-pro1?
Iphone?
Ipad?
Windows Vista? (contrast win7pro)
Pretty much any 1st gen system or serious overhaul to a previous system.


All had serious flaws that is caused by 1st gen syndrome, compare 2nd gen products to these and its obvious of they're flaws. I never adopt 1st gen products.

Would you consider Sony RX1 is 1st gen of FF in compact body? Took over 1k photos with RX1, I didn't see any issues yet? including AF speed

You said "I never adopt 1st gen products", I thought you had 5D C before 5D III?  and what about your all time fav 135L?

Well yes. DPreview even agrees the RX1 has its flaws and so have other indie reviews. Like the the first IPhone, its ludicrously over priced.

I never adopted the 5Dc at release, I bought it well into the mk2 era. The 135L had its optical base in the FD 135mm, and improved on that design. Great product.

Also I own a d30 but why does that matter?

[Dylan777]

I really doubt Canon won't take the advantage of a firmware update to try to market it as an AF improvement and then leave it as an unquantifiable statement about improved AF.

It is funny how many people knew this would be a stinker before it saw the inside of a showroom.  1st gen is not an excuse  - I would have fired the people who let a subpar product see light of day.  We are too kind to these people and show way too much loyalty.

I have been on the sidelines with my Rebel Xsi because I am a casual photographer and don't need this equipment to earn my living.  I will continue to wait one more cycle to see if Canon can fix AF issues with the Rebel, M series or the 6D and not keep making silly mistakes (one point AF on 6D)  - if the next product does not deliver then I guess Sony or Nikon will be getting my money.

EP-1?
X100?
X-pro1?
Iphone?
Ipad?
Windows Vista? (contrast win7pro)
Pretty much any 1st gen system or serious overhaul to a previous system.


All had serious flaws that is caused by 1st gen syndrome, compare 2nd gen products to these and its obvious of they're flaws. I never adopt 1st gen products.

Would you consider Sony RX1 is 1st gen of FF in compact body? Took over 1k photos with RX1, I didn't see any issues yet? including AF speed

You said "I never adopt 1st gen products", I thought you had 5D C before 5D III?  and what about your all time fav 135L?

Well yes. DPreview even agrees the RX1 has its flaws and so have other indie reviews. Like the the first IPhone, its ludicrously over priced.

I never adopted the 5Dc at release, I bought it well into the mk2 era. The 135L had its optical base in the FD 135mm, and improved on that design. Great product.

Also I own a d30 but why does that matter?

What flaws on RX1? Being the ONLY kid on the block, I don't blame Sony for pricing this camera at $2800. This is the only FF camera desgined in compact body for less than $3000, not to mention, a Carl Zeiss f2 lens is included.

To me...5D C is considered as 1st gen FF digital, regardless when you buy it.

Why that matter? You bought and used 1st gen product(s), but you claimed that you never adopt 1st gen products. Don't you think that was little B.S?

Do you know the diff btw FD135 Vs 135L?

[RLPhoto]

I really doubt Canon won't take the advantage of a firmware update to try to market it as an AF improvement and then leave it as an unquantifiable statement about improved AF.

It is funny how many people knew this would be a stinker before it saw the inside of a showroom.  1st gen is not an excuse  - I would have fired the people who let a subpar product see light of day.  We are too kind to these people and show way too much loyalty.

I have been on the sidelines with my Rebel Xsi because I am a casual photographer and don't need this equipment to earn my living.  I will continue to wait one more cycle to see if Canon can fix AF issues with the Rebel, M series or the 6D and not keep making silly mistakes (one point AF on 6D)  - if the next product does not deliver then I guess Sony or Nikon will be getting my money.

EP-1?
X100?
X-pro1?
Iphone?
Ipad?
Windows Vista? (contrast win7pro)
Pretty much any 1st gen system or serious overhaul to a previous system.


All had serious flaws that is caused by 1st gen syndrome, compare 2nd gen products to these and its obvious of they're flaws. I never adopt 1st gen products.

Would you consider Sony RX1 is 1st gen of FF in compact body? Took over 1k photos with RX1, I didn't see any issues yet? including AF speed

You said "I never adopt 1st gen products", I thought you had 5D C before 5D III?  and what about your all time fav 135L?

Well yes. DPreview even agrees the RX1 has its flaws and so have other indie reviews. Like the the first IPhone, its ludicrously over priced.

I never adopted the 5Dc at release, I bought it well into the mk2 era. The 135L had its optical base in the FD 135mm, and improved on that design. Great product.

Also I own a d30 but why does that matter?

What flaws on RX1? Being the ONLY kid on the block, I don't blame Sony for pricing this camera at $2800. This is the only FF camera desgined in compact body for less than $3000, not to mention, a Carl Zeiss f2 lens is included.

To me...5D C is considered as 1st gen FF digital, regardless when you buy it.

Do you know the diff btw FD135 Vs 135L?

Why that matter? You bought and used 1st gen product(s), but you claimed that you never adopt 1st gen products. Don't you think that was little B.S?

Just like iPhone 1, so is the Sony RX1. Alone on the block but flawed anyway. Read DPreviews cons list for me.

The 5Dc was first gen, like the EOS-M. Neither of which I have/had any desire to purchase when released. I purchased the 5Dc when it was already obsolete from MK2. No BS, perhaps you mis-understand the context of this thread & comment wrong.

Sure the 135L has many improvements over its FD version, just like the 50mm 1.4 does.

[Dylan777]

I really doubt Canon won't take the advantage of a firmware update to try to market it as an AF improvement and then leave it as an unquantifiable statement about improved AF.

It is funny how many people knew this would be a stinker before it saw the inside of a showroom.  1st gen is not an excuse  - I would have fired the people who let a subpar product see light of day.  We are too kind to these people and show way too much loyalty.

I have been on the sidelines with my Rebel Xsi because I am a casual photographer and don't need this equipment to earn my living.  I will continue to wait one more cycle to see if Canon can fix AF issues with the Rebel, M series or the 6D and not keep making silly mistakes (one point AF on 6D)  - if the next product does not deliver then I guess Sony or Nikon will be getting my money.

EP-1?
X100?
X-pro1?
Iphone?
Ipad?
Windows Vista? (contrast win7pro)
Pretty much any 1st gen system or serious overhaul to a previous system.


All had serious flaws that is caused by 1st gen syndrome, compare 2nd gen products to these and its obvious of they're flaws. I never adopt 1st gen products.

Would you consider Sony RX1 is 1st gen of FF in compact body? Took over 1k photos with RX1, I didn't see any issues yet? including AF speed

You said "I never adopt 1st gen products", I thought you had 5D C before 5D III?  and what about your all time fav 135L?

Well yes. DPreview even agrees the RX1 has its flaws and so have other indie reviews. Like the the first IPhone, its ludicrously over priced.

I never adopted the 5Dc at release, I bought it well into the mk2 era. The 135L had its optical base in the FD 135mm, and improved on that design. Great product.

Also I own a d30 but why does that matter?

What flaws on RX1? Being the ONLY kid on the block, I don't blame Sony for pricing this camera at $2800. This is the only FF camera desgined in compact body for less than $3000, not to mention, a Carl Zeiss f2 lens is included.

To me...5D C is considered as 1st gen FF digital, regardless when you buy it.

Do you know the diff btw FD135 Vs 135L?

Why that matter? You bought and used 1st gen product(s), but you claimed that you never adopt 1st gen products. Don't you think that was little B.S?

Just like iPhone 1, so is the Sony RX1. Alone on the block but flawed anyway. Read DPreviews cons list for me.

The 5Dc was first gen, like the EOS-M. Neither of which I have/had any desire to purchase when released. I purchased the 5Dc when it was already obsolete from MK2. No BS, perhaps you mis-understand the context of this thread & comment wrong.
Sure the 135L has many improvements over its FD version, just like the 50mm 1.4 does.

RLPhoto, you are very twisty!!!

So now...5D III is out, would that make 5DC no longer 1st gen camera?

Any there any perfect camera(s) out there? with no cons?

AND NOW, you telling me that I mis-understood this thread & gave wrong comment.

 

[RLPhoto]

I really doubt Canon won't take the advantage of a firmware update to try to market it as an AF improvement and then leave it as an unquantifiable statement about improved AF.

It is funny how many people knew this would be a stinker before it saw the inside of a showroom.  1st gen is not an excuse  - I would have fired the people who let a subpar product see light of day.  We are too kind to these people and show way too much loyalty.

I have been on the sidelines with my Rebel Xsi because I am a casual photographer and don't need this equipment to earn my living.  I will continue to wait one more cycle to see if Canon can fix AF issues with the Rebel, M series or the 6D and not keep making silly mistakes (one point AF on 6D)  - if the next product does not deliver then I guess Sony or Nikon will be getting my money.

EP-1?
X100?
X-pro1?
Iphone?
Ipad?
Windows Vista? (contrast win7pro)
Pretty much any 1st gen system or serious overhaul to a previous system.


All had serious flaws that is caused by 1st gen syndrome, compare 2nd gen products to these and its obvious of they're flaws. I never adopt 1st gen products.

Would you consider Sony RX1 is 1st gen of FF in compact body? Took over 1k photos with RX1, I didn't see any issues yet? including AF speed

You said "I never adopt 1st gen products", I thought you had 5D C before 5D III?  and what about your all time fav 135L?

Well yes. DPreview even agrees the RX1 has its flaws and so have other indie reviews. Like the the first IPhone, its ludicrously over priced.

I never adopted the 5Dc at release, I bought it well into the mk2 era. The 135L had its optical base in the FD 135mm, and improved on that design. Great product.

Also I own a d30 but why does that matter?

What flaws on RX1? Being the ONLY kid on the block, I don't blame Sony for pricing this camera at $2800. This is the only FF camera desgined in compact body for less than $3000, not to mention, a Carl Zeiss f2 lens is included.

To me...5D C is considered as 1st gen FF digital, regardless when you buy it.

Do you know the diff btw FD135 Vs 135L?

Why that matter? You bought and used 1st gen product(s), but you claimed that you never adopt 1st gen products. Don't you think that was little B.S?

Just like iPhone 1, so is the Sony RX1. Alone on the block but flawed anyway. Read DPreviews cons list for me.

The 5Dc was first gen, like the EOS-M. Neither of which I have/had any desire to purchase when released. I purchased the 5Dc when it was already obsolete from MK2. No BS, perhaps you mis-understand the context of this thread & comment wrong.
Sure the 135L has many improvements over its FD version, just like the 50mm 1.4 does.

RLPhoto, you are very twisty!!!

So now...5D III is out, would that make 5DC no longer 1st gen camera?

Any there any perfect camera(s) out there? with no cons?

AND NOW, you telling me that I mis-understood this thread & gave wrong comment.

 

How many times have I typed that yes, the 5Dc is a first gen camera and has many many flaws but I never bought it at release for the full asked price when it was the only option.

The thread states that the EOS M AF cannot be fixed with firmware. No surprise, because its a first gen product it will have all these flaws that cannot be fixed by firmware. Just like said 5Dc. But I never adopted products until Gen 2 was released. Simpy because gen2 will be better and gen1 will be a lot cheaper. Like iPhone 1 and iPhone 3G.

I can guarantee when RX-2 is released, I'll be able to buy a used RX-1 for half of what you paid or just get the fixed RX-2. 

[Rocky]

How many times have I typed that yes, the 5Dc is a first gen camera and has many many flaws but I never bought it at release for the full asked price when it was the only option.

The thread states that the EOS M AF cannot be fixed with firmware. No surprise, because its a first gen product it will have all these flaws that cannot be fixed by firmware. Just like said 5Dc. But I never adopted products until Gen 2 was released. Simpy because gen2 will be better and gen1 will be a lot cheaper. Like iPhone 1 and iPhone 3G.

I can guarantee when RX-2 is released, I'll be able to buy a used RX-1 for half of what you paid or just get the fixed RX-2.

So your complain is the PRICE of the first generations, not the PERFORMANCE. If it is the performance, you will never buy the first generation regardless of the price.

[RLPhoto]

How many times have I typed that yes, the 5Dc is a first gen camera and has many many flaws but I never bought it at release for the full asked price when it was the only option.

The thread states that the EOS M AF cannot be fixed with firmware. No surprise, because its a first gen product it will have all these flaws that cannot be fixed by firmware. Just like said 5Dc. But I never adopted products until Gen 2 was released. Simpy because gen2 will be better and gen1 will be a lot cheaper. Like iPhone 1 and iPhone 3G.

I can guarantee when RX-2 is released, I'll be able to buy a used RX-1 for half of what you paid or just get the fixed RX-2.

So your complain is the PRICE of the first generations, not the PERFORMANCE. If it is the performance, you will never buy the first generation regardless of the price.

Lets put it this way, I didn't adopt the 5D2 either. It still wasn't the camera I needed, the MK3 was the camera where I adopted it ASAP to replace my temp 5Dc system.

It's a price/performance ratio that matters and that ratio is always higher with a gen2 system. Thus I never adopt first gen systems but wait for Gen2's release.

[Rocky]

How many times have I typed that yes, the 5Dc is a first gen camera and has many many flaws but I never bought it at release for the full asked price when it was the only option.

The thread states that the EOS M AF cannot be fixed with firmware. No surprise, because its a first gen product it will have all these flaws that cannot be fixed by firmware. Just like said 5Dc. But I never adopted products until Gen 2 was released. Simpy because gen2 will be better and gen1 will be a lot cheaper. Like iPhone 1 and iPhone 3G.

I can guarantee when RX-2 is released, I'll be able to buy a used RX-1 for half of what you paid or just get the fixed RX-2.

So your complain is the PRICE of the first generations, not the PERFORMANCE. If it is the performance, you will never buy the first generation regardless of the price.

Lets put it this way, I didn't adopt the 5D2 either. It still wasn't the camera I needed, the MK3 was the camera where I adopted it ASAP to replace my temp 5Dc system.

It's a price/performance ratio that matters and that ratio is always higher with a gen2 system. Thus I never adopt first gen systems but wait for Gen2's release.

You have just contradict yourself BIG TIME.   You adopted the 5D C (first generation), but not the 5D 2 (second generation).

[RLPhoto]

How many times have I typed that yes, the 5Dc is a first gen camera and has many many flaws but I never bought it at release for the full asked price when it was the only option.

The thread states that the EOS M AF cannot be fixed with firmware. No surprise, because its a first gen product it will have all these flaws that cannot be fixed by firmware. Just like said 5Dc. But I never adopted products until Gen 2 was released. Simpy because gen2 will be better and gen1 will be a lot cheaper. Like iPhone 1 and iPhone 3G.

I can guarantee when RX-2 is released, I'll be able to buy a used RX-1 for half of what you paid or just get the fixed RX-2.

So your complain is the PRICE of the first generations, not the PERFORMANCE. If it is the performance, you will never buy the first generation regardless of the price.

Lets put it this way, I didn't adopt the 5D2 either. It still wasn't the camera I needed, the MK3 was the camera where I adopted it ASAP to replace my temp 5Dc system.

It's a price/performance ratio that matters and that ratio is always higher with a gen2 system. Thus I never adopt first gen systems but wait for Gen2's release.

You have just contradict yourself BIG TIME.   You adopted the 5D C (first generation), but not the 5D 2 (second generation).

5Dc Released - Didn't adopt at release, Too expensive. ONLY OPTION AT THE TIME. For example, EOS-M is the ONLY Option at the moment for Canon mirrorless, just as the 5Dc was for affordable FF.

5D2 Released - Didn't adopt at release, Too expensive, AF disappointed. Other option avaliable, a Used 5Dc for cheap.

Purchased used 5Dc until Mk3 Release.

5D3 - Released, Had all the features I needed. Adopted ASAP and replaced my temp 5Dc.

It a un-wise move to adopt a First gen product when its the only option available. I never adopt first gen products until the next gen is released, If its better, I buy Gen2. If its not better, Gen1 will always be cheaper.

Perhaps you need to re-read my previous posts.

[neuroanatomist]

It a un-wise move to adopt a First gen product when its the only option available.

...unless you need the feature(s) that are only available in that first gen product.  Granted, I haven't run across that scenario for photography...but it happens often in my day job.

[RLPhoto]

It a un-wise move to adopt a First gen product when its the only option available.

...unless you need the feature(s) that are only available in that first gen product.  Granted, I haven't run across that scenario for photography...but it happens often in my day job.

So, EOS-M Gen2 won't be better and make the Gen1 cheaper? And avoiding problems by not adopting a gen1 system until gen2 is released?

[neuroanatomist]

It a un-wise move to adopt a First gen product when its the only option available.

...unless you need the feature(s) that are only available in that first gen product.  Granted, I haven't run across that scenario for photography...but it happens often in my day job.

So, EOS-M Gen2 won't be better and make the Gen1 cheaper? And avoiding problems by not adopting a gen1 system until gen2 is released?

Sure, a second generation version will improve upon the original, and make the original cheaper.  But if you require a feature or features of the first version, you put up with the problems (not like the 2nd gen won't have it's own set of them) and you pay the premium. 

[RLPhoto]

It a un-wise move to adopt a First gen product when its the only option available.

...unless you need the feature(s) that are only available in that first gen product.  Granted, I haven't run across that scenario for photography...but it happens often in my day job.

So, EOS-M Gen2 won't be better and make the Gen1 cheaper? And avoiding problems by not adopting a gen1 system until gen2 is released?

Sure, a second generation version will improve upon the original, and make the original cheaper.  But if you require a feature or features of the first version, you put up with the problems (not like the 2nd gen won't have it's own set of them) and you pay the premium.

Exactly, my original post.

"No surprise here. 1st Gen product."

[ZS1RA]

I do a lot of wildlife photography and lugging gear around especially on aeroplanes is a problem. I have several L lenses from 70-200 f2.8 IS to the 500mm F4. I normally have these attached to my 1D MkIV. I have often wished I had another short lens attached to a body for quick access but the additional weight was prohibitive.

Naturally when the EOS-M came onto the market I was very excited as I thought this would be a great 2nd and 3rd camera! Lightweight and cheap. Well since then I have been reading all the reviews on the slow AF I put that idea on hold, game and birds don't wait for slow AF may as well do a lens change if that's the case. It seems as if Canon is actually incapable of doing an upgrade as I am sure they would have done so long ago. I guess waiting for Firmware upgrade is a waste of time. I think they may be able to address the problem with the MkII, well maybe.