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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2013, 05:27:01 PM »
Weight is a definite concern with the 2.8ii and was probably the main reason I chose the f4IS over it. I just couldnt stand carrying that thing around all day. I'm much happier using the lighter zoom and filling in with fast primes when needed.

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I think with the 5D3 the low light performance is good enough that f4 will fit the bill just fine.
Also you dont want too shallow a DOF in events and gatherings...and i assume you will have a prime for really shallow work)

70-200L f/4 is a highly regarded zoom in its own right and weighs about half the larger sibling.

While I fully recognize (and own) the f/2.8 II as a high quality zoom, I do not agree that it is called for at every turn just because it is a super duper zoom that also does window and vacuums your floors! There is a cult like following that suggests this zoom as a panacea for everything. If weight is a factor, then by all means stick to the f4 and it is a kick ass zoom.
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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2013, 05:27:01 PM »

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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2013, 05:57:52 PM »
Do you have two 5DIII's and a 7D ?  Or one of each ?

I found the 135L a tad too long on crop for indoors hall/church work, but epic on my 6D - so perhaps a 24-70 2.8 on the 5DIII and a 85mm (either) on the 7D to give you a "crop" 135mm

Off topic and not often mentioned, but my 135L was great on my crop 450D at air shows.
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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2013, 06:18:06 PM »
For those that have used both, is there a difference in IQ between both the 70-200's at f4? Is the 2.8 sharper stopped down a stop, or are they about equal?
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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2013, 06:31:44 PM »
For those that have used both, is there a difference in IQ between both the 70-200's at f4? Is the 2.8 sharper stopped down a stop, or are they about equal?

At F4 they are both tack sharp in my hands.

Again the f4 is an acclaimed lens in its own right...what the 2.8II offers is one stop extra light at a higher weight. it comes down to shooting style and portability issues... highly personal depending on photographic needs and tolerance to accommodate weight. If you are a big guy with 10 inch hands, the fact you can easily carry it has no relevance to a petit woman or a smaller person in general. :)
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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2013, 07:05:16 PM »
I have a 5d3 & 7d, bf has 2 5d2. Redundant lenses are a 24-105, 17-55 plus I have a 55-250 is. He also thinks I should sell the 7d, but I would keep it depending on price as a backup.

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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2013, 07:24:35 PM »
I know this should be an easy decision, but my female, 51 yo, 5'3" frame is wanting the smaller, lighter, less expensive f4 to be an acceptable compromise. I am upgrading lenses this year and just ordered a 100mm macro f2.8l is. I also want a 135 f2. Any comments on the zooms? My bf is pushing me to get the best lenses, since we've already invested in multiple 5d bodies. Any suggestions and input appreciated. I do understand the 2.8 ii is great, just worried that it's too much for me to pack for a full day wedding.

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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2013, 07:43:22 PM »
So I guess my final choice is f4 for me, f2.8 ii for him.

I think that's the perfect compromise.  It would be nice to have the 70-200 f/4 when I'm out shooting during the day and don't need the 2.8.  The 2.8 IS II is a pain when I have to carry it for 12 hours.

That said, I've actually started using the spider holster system on my think tank belt.  Have you considered a belt carrying system.  It beats having anything around your neck or on your shoulder(s).  I'd give it a try.  I have a Black Rapid strap and even that bugs after a while.  I hardly even feel the camera weight (5dmk3, 600ex-rt, and 70-200 2.8 IS II) on my hips/waist.
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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2013, 07:43:22 PM »

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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2013, 07:50:48 PM »
Thank you everyone for responding. The 135L is a 'want' lens for me after seeing superb photos posted from it by members on this forum, so I can hold off and get it when I have some spare money to burn. The 70-200 zoom will be my next 'need', and I'm still leaning toward the F4 since I'll be able to use it on the 5d3. If I want more bokeh, I do have a 50mm 1.8 in my bag. My bf has been talking about ordering both, trying them side by side and then returning one. I keep telling him he needs his own 70-200, as sometimes we shoot together, sometimes apart. Plus, we've got multiple lenses right now that are redundant. I've got my 17-55 up on CL, but haven't had any luck selling it thus far. Adorama is offering me a price that is fairly close to my asking price, so I'll probably send it in to them. So I guess my final choice is f4 for me, f2.8 ii for him.

My wife and I shoot together, we bought 2 70-200f2.8L IS II leneses since we figured we didnt want to be fighting over using that lens and having one each was fine until I got the 85mm, she prefers to shoot with zooms I prefer primes, so now for weddings having 2 70-200 lenses is redundant (having 2 is still fine for fashion and runway where this lens is basically without equal and we both use them)

If you are going to get 2 lenses why not get the 70-200 f2.8L IS II and the 85mm f1.4 ?

having 2 shooters taking shots with the same focal length lens is kind of redundant at a wedding. making sure both shooters are using different lenses give more variety.

typically my wife shoots with the 24-70 f2.8L (the 70-200 is heavy for her so she only uses it some of the time)
I  will usually use the 16-35 and the 85 although since I have gotten the sigma 35 I'm torn i got it more for low light receptions but it's just so damn good i want to use it for everything now!

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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2013, 08:21:31 PM »
I know this should be an easy decision, but my female, 51 yo, 5'3" frame is wanting the smaller, lighter, less expensive f4 to be an acceptable compromise. I am upgrading lenses this year and just ordered a 100mm macro f2.8l is. I also want a 135 f2. Any comments on the zooms? My bf is pushing me to get the best lenses, since we've already invested in multiple 5d bodies. Any suggestions and input appreciated. I do understand the 2.8 ii is great, just worried that it's too much for me to pack for a full day wedding.

At my wedding, the photographers were two lightly built 20-something women. I think between them they were shooting with a 70-200mm f/2.8, a 16-35mm f/2.8 and a 24-70mm f/2.8. At least for the posed shots, the 70-200mm f/2.8 was on a tripod, so

(a) they were only lugging around 3 lenses between the two of them, (one of which was a 70-200mm f/2.8) and
(b) for the most part, they weren't handholding it (never during the posed shots, though they may have been for the candids)

It meant also that at any given time the two photographers were getting substantially different shots.

So speaking to your situation if you're shooting as a two person team, and you are looking to economise on weight, having two of those bulky 70-200mm f/2.8 lenses (if I read  you correctly he already has one) seems like a poor choice (I don't see what having a 70-200mm f/4 would add if he already has the 70-200mm f/2.8 either). So I'd say skip it (maybe get a 135L instead if the two of you need to take tele shots at the same time)

Or were you thinking of a scenario where you're shooting alone ?
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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2013, 08:52:00 PM »
I know this should be an easy decision, but my female, 51 yo, 5'3" frame is wanting the smaller, lighter, less expensive f4 to be an acceptable compromise. I am upgrading lenses this year and just ordered a 100mm macro f2.8l is. I also want a 135 f2. Any comments on the zooms? My bf is pushing me to get the best lenses, since we've already invested in multiple 5d bodies. Any suggestions and input appreciated. I do understand the 2.8 ii is great, just worried that it's too much for me to pack for a full day wedding.

At my wedding, the photographers were two lightly built 20-something women. I think between them they were shooting with a 70-200mm f/2.8, a 16-35mm f/2.8 and a 24-70mm f/2.8. At least for the posed shots, the 70-200mm f/2.8 was on a tripod, so

(a) they were only lugging around 3 lenses between the two of them, (one of which was a 70-200mm f/2.8) and
(b) for the most part, they weren't handholding it (never during the posed shots, though they may have been for the candids)

It meant also that at any given time the two photographers were getting substantially different shots.

So speaking to your situation if you're shooting as a two person team, and you are looking to economise on weight, having two of those bulky 70-200mm f/2.8 lenses (if I read  you correctly he already has one) seems like a poor choice (I don't see what having a 70-200mm f/4 would add if he already has the 70-200mm f/2.8 either). So I'd say skip it (maybe get a 135L instead if the two of you need to take tele shots at the same time)

Or were you thinking of a scenario where you're shooting alone ?

Right now neither of us have a 70-200. I agree there would be no need for us to have two lenses of the same focal length if we were always shooting as a team, but we don't. Sometimes we shoot as a team, sometimes we are on separate gigs on the same day, both needing that focal range. I did propose us each getting our own 70-200s tonight - one a 4, one a 2.8. That made sense to him.

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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2013, 08:55:47 PM »
I have the 70-200 f4 IS with a 5d mkiii and it does fine. However I picked up a 135L and now that is all I ever use. The shots just turn out so gorgeous. I don't mind missing a shot here or there if the ones I am getting with the 135L are so much better.
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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2013, 10:09:53 PM »
Right now neither of us have a 70-200. I agree there would be no need for us to have two lenses of the same focal length if we were always shooting as a team, but we don't. Sometimes we shoot as a team, sometimes we are on separate gigs on the same day, both needing that focal range. I did propose us each getting our own 70-200s tonight - one a 4, one a 2.8. That made sense to him.

What kind of setup do you have when you're on your own ? Do you have two bodies ? (you have a backup, right ? )

Anyway regardless of setup, you can only shoot with one lens at a given moment, so you could always shoot with the standard zoom until a shot calls for whatever tele you have (whether it's the 135L or 70-200mm f/4)

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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2013, 10:41:54 PM »
Right now neither of us have a 70-200. I agree there would be no need for us to have two lenses of the same focal length if we were always shooting as a team, but we don't. Sometimes we shoot as a team, sometimes we are on separate gigs on the same day, both needing that focal range. I did propose us each getting our own 70-200s tonight - one a 4, one a 2.8. That made sense to him.

What kind of setup do you have when you're on your own ? Do you have two bodies ? (you have a backup, right ? )

Anyway regardless of setup, you can only shoot with one lens at a given moment, so you could always shoot with the standard zoom until a shot calls for whatever tele you have (whether it's the 135L or 70-200mm f/4)

I have been using 2 bodies, a 5d and a 7d. 24-105 on the 5d, 55-250is on the 7d. 580ex, various light modifiers. The 70-200 will replace the 55-250. 24-105 replaced the 17-55. I was shooting with a 5d2 last year, but replaced it with a 5d3 in December. I have always wanted a macro, even just for my own fun/hobby, but will also use it for detail shots at weddings. I consider the 70-200 to be a need, but I also really want a 135L. My only other personal lens is a 50mm 1.8. All other gear belongs to my bf, he has 2 5d2, 2 24-105 (another redundancy), 580 ex, plus we have elinchrom strobes.

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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2013, 10:42:46 PM »
Weight is a definite concern with the 2.8ii and was probably the main reason I chose the f4IS over it. I just couldnt stand carrying that thing around all day. I'm much happier using the lighter zoom and filling in with fast primes when needed.
Yep, this would be my answer too. If you need more light, then the difference between f/2.8 and f/4 probably isn't enough (especially in a dark ceremony or reception) and you'd want something in the f/1's anyway. But, if the room is bright or you are outdoors, f/4 will do the job just fine.

Also, it may not be the biggest factor, but the f/4 IS and the Sigma 85 or 135L combined would be the same if not cheaper than the f/2.8 II. And you can decide based on pre-scouting, etc which you'd need that day

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Re: Weddings 70-200mm 2.8 is vs 4 is
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2013, 10:51:37 PM »
24L + 50L + 135L on two 5D3s. It's my preferred setup.

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