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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #150 on: February 19, 2013, 06:48:09 PM »
I've never used AI Focus... I've also never really understood what that third focus option was, or how it worked. Would it be better for non-tracking servo-type AF work?

AI Focus is supposed to behave like One Shot, and if the camera thinks the subject has begun to move, it automatically switches to AI Servo.  Sounds nice, in theory. How well does it work?  Well...AI Focus is not an option on 1-series bodies, so you can probably draw some conclusions based on that.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #150 on: February 19, 2013, 06:48:09 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #151 on: February 19, 2013, 07:06:37 PM »
I've never used AI Focus... I've also never really understood what that third focus option was, or how it worked. Would it be better for non-tracking servo-type AF work?

AI Focus is supposed to behave like One Shot, and if the camera thinks the subject has begun to move, it automatically switches to AI Servo.  Sounds nice, in theory. How well does it work?  Well...AI Focus is not an option on 1-series bodies, so you can probably draw some conclusions based on that.

Ah...well, pass on that. I prefer my setup. :P

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #152 on: February 19, 2013, 07:21:05 PM »
Sounds impressive if that is the 5D3 AF in there. Were it to match exmor at low iso then you'd really have a heck of a sick APS-C cam and I might even be wondering if the 24-70 II and FF even makes sense for me.

(although perhaps a 6fps, 40MP, 5D4, with dual digic for full video read and high quality downscale, arrives in spring 2014??)

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #153 on: February 19, 2013, 07:24:16 PM »
Looks great but I highly doubt it will come close to noise wise to a FF sensor especially with 6 more MP.

If thats what your hoping for then I think you will be disappointed. An APC camera will always have more noise than a full frame sensor.

Indeed, that's the thing... It's all still speculation of course but the key thing is the 'ISO performance close to the 5D mkIII'. Being that it's not a full frame sensor, how close is close?!

They might just mean comparing NR in cam jpgs....  :(
There isn't that much room left to improve 7D mid-tone SNR, although there is some.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #154 on: February 19, 2013, 07:28:52 PM »
Canon cannot put the same AF-system like the 5D Mark III´s in an 7D Mark II for the mentioned price. So don´t expect it.

Why not and doesn't the sports/wildlife came need it? One of the key upgrdes the 7D could use is the real pro-level AF, the 7D still performed under many circumstances like an xxD (soccer for instance). They did raise the price compared to the original 7D, if not for the pro-level AF, then what?
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« Reply #155 on: February 19, 2013, 07:32:14 PM »

  • 24.1mp APS-C Sensor
  • 10fps
  • Dual Memory Card Slots
  • 61 AF Points
  • ISO Performance to get close to the 5D3
  • GPS & Wifi
And for 2100$ ?

No way! Looks like someones dreamlist.
As a 7D user I love to have this kind of upgrade but it seems unreal to me.

Why jump from 19 to 61 points? 19 is good. The combo of 24.1MP and 10fps is already impressive upgrade. Why GPS & WiFi? There are available solutions

7D points were too spread to serve as helpers. A single point was often too small and a cluster was way too large and grabby for certain field sports.

Why a dream list?? It is years later and costs more.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #156 on: February 19, 2013, 07:33:29 PM »
In my opinion the 7D only needs improved AF and better high'ish iso performance, say 3200 to 6400. I was never convinced about its low iso performance but that might just have been my copy. I had issues with noise at 200 and 400 iso. Sent it back to Canon with that query and it seemed there was an improvement on return but I still opted to use iso's either side of those values if I could.

Additions of wifi and gps would be nice to have but basically an improvement on iq is the most important issue and that will come with improved AF and improved iso performance. I'd be happy enough with a marginal 10-20% uplift in megpixels but not at expense of iq.
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #156 on: February 19, 2013, 07:33:29 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #157 on: February 19, 2013, 07:35:58 PM »
Don't underestimate the cost of an FF sensor. They are still almost 4x the area of an APS-C.

More like 2.56x. But even so that does make them cost more.

 

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #158 on: February 19, 2013, 07:37:36 PM »
No that's the wrong way of looking at it.
The 6D is pitched as an 'entry level' or first time FF body.
The 7D line is the 'high end' Crop body.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #159 on: February 19, 2013, 07:46:09 PM »
Sorry, a little off topic.  Anyone know what Canon camera is in this below linked picture?  Never seen one with the red piece by the hotshoe.  Looks like a 7D is why I am posting on this thread. 

http://500px.com/photo/26318243

Update:Even more suspicious is the Canon logo has been removed, this has a pop-up flash and looks to be in new condition.  Can't place the lens either the more I look at this - size wise looks like the 85mm 1.2 but the bulge appears different by the camera mount from the current 85,1.2???

Could it be a 7D with some red thingy stuck on by the flash shoe?
Nothing else out there for sale now that it could be.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #160 on: February 19, 2013, 08:05:27 PM »
Sorry, a little off topic.  Anyone know what Canon camera is in this below linked picture?  Never seen one with the red piece by the hotshoe.  Looks like a 7D is why I am posting on this thread. 

http://500px.com/photo/26318243

Update:Even more suspicious is the Canon logo has been removed, this has a pop-up flash and looks to be in new condition.  Can't place the lens either the more I look at this - size wise looks like the 85mm 1.2 but the bulge appears different by the camera mount from the current 85,1.2???

Could it be a 7D with some red thingy stuck on by the flash shoe?
Nothing else out there for sale now that it could be.

Lens is def a 50 1.2. Camera.. who knows~

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #161 on: February 19, 2013, 08:27:53 PM »
I was all set to sell my 5d2 and get a 5d3, and then the latest rumor...argh.  While I really "want" the 1dx, it is just hard to justify right now.  About 80% of my shooting is sports - whatever is in season and I can get access to or that I'm hired to cover.  Hockey is a big part of the mix.

I find I shoot sports far more with my 7d than the 5d2, mostly due to the "reach", but partly due to the better focus hit rate of the 7d.  8 fps is nice too.

But I find the 5d2 images significantly better, particularly in the  1600-2000 ISO range required at local hockey rinks.  And like everyone else I've read, I find the 5d2 images (FF) to be noticeably more pleasing by all measures, and infinitely superior for portrait/landscape work.   

I've been holding out for the 7d2.  If it is anywhere near the specs listed, with improved IQ at higher ISO, there will be no way for me to resist.    I don't care that much about more MP, GPS, or video features.  Improved IQ/ISO performance is tops on the list for me, followed by even better AF than the current good 7d.  For me, you can leave video off.  I can count on 1 hand the number of times I've shot video.

OK Canon - hurry up!  It's been more than 3 years now.  The 7d has more than paid for itself!
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #162 on: February 19, 2013, 08:30:07 PM »
sounds almost better than a mrk3 but its asp-c D:

too good to be true?
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
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« Reply #163 on: February 19, 2013, 08:45:48 PM »
I don't get how it can feature "5dMkIII build quality" and GPS. Wasn't the reason for the partial weather sealing of the 6D that GPS needs a polycarbonate top for signal reception and can't use a full metal shell like the 1D?

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #164 on: February 19, 2013, 09:04:03 PM »
The only complaint I ever heard from a 7D user was about their sensor. Now they get near 5D3 ISO ability. That is great! They also get a 25% bump in FPS, wifi, gps, upgraded AF system and a few other goodies like video features.

And who are these people complaining that this should have been the 5D3 or 6D? 10 FPS on a FF body is called the 1Dx.

I'm not even sure why I bother with the forum on this site.

+1 The specs look awesome as a high end crop sensor camera, and it's pointless to say this should have been the 6D or 5D3.  Beyond the fact that from a marketing point of view it would make no sense to offer the 5D3/6D with all those specs and kill off the value of the 1Dx, it's fairly obvious that it's easier and cheaper to make smaller mirror-boxes, shutters, view finders, AF systems, and most importantly sensors, than it is to make full frame equivalents.  So of course they can offer near 1Dx level performance for a lower price if they shrink the sensor.

In the end it looks like it comes down to this:
Need great AF and fps for birding/sports on a budget get the 7D(2).
Need great IQ on a budget, get the 6D/5D2.
Need great IQ and mid-range AF/fps get a 5D3.
Need (almost) everything and the kitchen sink and have lots of money, get a 1Dx.
Need maximal DR, 36MP, and huge RAW files, go to another forum.

Of course there is also want (different from need): I want 20fps, 40MP, 16 stops of DR, perfectly clean ISO 25600, 110 point all cross type AF, and under $2000 ;)
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #164 on: February 19, 2013, 09:04:03 PM »