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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #210 on: February 20, 2013, 08:22:03 AM »
so the 6d is 'entry level'   yet the 7d 2 is high end.
doesnt want to make me buy the 6d anymore! :(
Is that how you make your buying decisions? :o

oh yeah i base most of my major purchases on tags given to products by people on forums!

what do you think?

iim at a place now where a higher end camera would be good for my photos,im just making the point that i dont see myself as an entry level camera kind of guy. obviously if it does its job thats fine, i just dont like that tag.

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« Reply #210 on: February 20, 2013, 08:22:03 AM »

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« Reply #211 on: February 20, 2013, 08:50:16 AM »
Seems like a good model to re-introduce the eye-controlled AF.
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« Reply #212 on: February 20, 2013, 09:08:30 AM »
im just making the point that i dont see myself as an entry level camera kind of guy. obviously if it does its job thats fine, i just dont like that tag.

It's all relative.  The Canon C100 is an 'entry-level' cinema camera, even though it costs about the same as the EOS 1D X flagship dSLR. 

The 6D is Canon's entry-level full frame camera, but that doesn't make it an entry level camera any more than being the least expensive Ferrari makes the Ferrari California an 'entry-level' sportscar. 
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« Reply #213 on: February 20, 2013, 09:17:40 AM »
im just making the point that i dont see myself as an entry level camera kind of guy. obviously if it does its job thats fine, i just dont like that tag.

It's all relative.  The Canon C100 is an 'entry-level' cinema camera, even though it costs about the same as the EOS 1D X flagship dSLR. 

The 6D is Canon's entry-level full frame camera, but that doesn't make it an entry level camera any more than being the least expensive Ferrari makes the Ferrari California an 'entry-level' sportscar.

yeah all very true and you are right of course,  dont you get that feeling though that people who are into cameras and photography look down on the 6d a bit? it doenst bother me but i get a that feeling a little, for some reason everyone loves the 7 series, or at least accept it.

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« Reply #214 on: February 20, 2013, 09:47:35 AM »
yeah all very true and you are right of course,  dont you get that feeling though that people who are into cameras and photography look down on the 6d a bit? it doenst bother me but i get a that feeling a little, for some reason everyone loves the 7 series, or at least accept it.

There's something to what you say, and there's a historical basis.  Previously, there were only two FF cameras - the 1DsIII and the 5DII.  There wasn't really an 'entry level' per se, but everyone knew the 5DII was 'gimped' relative to the 1DsIII in every way but IQ, particularly in the AF department.  Now, we have three current FF bodies, and the 6D is really closer to the 5DII in performance - AF is ok, but far short of the 5DIII.  But 3 levels of product allows a conceptual separation and gives us an 'entry-level' in the category.  The APS-C camera market has more levels, and the 7D is at the top of the heap.

Really, it's all about horses for courses.  The 6D is a great camera that delivers top IQ for landscapes, portraits, basically things that don't move fast.  The 7D is a great camera that delivers good IQ in decent light with static and fast-moving subjects.  The 5DIII combines the performance of the 7D with the IQ of the 6D, making it a truly great all-around camera.
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« Reply #215 on: February 20, 2013, 10:37:09 AM »
To make everybody happy canon would have to make a 1 000 000 megapixel camera with a medium format sensor that can use EF lenses and can manage noise free images at iso 2 000 000, and it should cost below 100$. But thats just not how it works.

I beleve the mk II will be a good supstitute for the 7D. And if it can deliver cleaner files at ISO 3200 i will buy one  I love my 7D as a backup for the 5d mkIII :)

You still couldn't make everyone happy.  The camera isn't free or they are not getting paid to take the camera and the specs are not ridiculously unbelievable.  Besides some poeple are not happy unless they are bitching.
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« Reply #216 on: February 20, 2013, 11:32:36 AM »
im just making the point that i dont see myself as an entry level camera kind of guy. obviously if it does its job thats fine, i just dont like that tag.

It's all relative.  The Canon C100 is an 'entry-level' cinema camera, even though it costs about the same as the EOS 1D X flagship dSLR. 

The 6D is Canon's entry-level full frame camera, but that doesn't make it an entry level camera any more than being the least expensive Ferrari makes the Ferrari California an 'entry-level' sportscar.

yeah all very true and you are right of course,  dont you get that feeling though that people who are into cameras and photography look down on the 6d a bit? it doenst bother me but i get a that feeling a little, for some reason everyone loves the 7 series, or at least accept it.

They are tools. I doubt people who are "into" photography look down on it. As I stated before the 6D is an amazing tool, nothing more and in all honesty if/when my 5d2 dies I will consider a 6d as a backup FF. Three reasons: Good price, Similar IQ and amazing low light performance to my 5d3.

On the 7D front.. I know at least 5 amateur sports photographers who got their careers off the ground using that body and two event/wedding photographers. I got 2.5 years, a 25 foot fall into a snow bank (survived), sunk to the bottom of a river in a pelican box for an hour, A cat who seems to think EVERY time I went to change a lens on the camera at home he HAD to be right there, dropped into a still warm fire pit on a hike I did and close to 215k shutter out of that body. The damn thing was a TANK and I squeezed every penny out of the body. It is at Canon right now being prepared for a proper 7D funeral... Shot into the sun and returned with a minor scuff on the body in perfect working order.

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« Reply #217 on: February 20, 2013, 11:40:38 AM »
im just making the point that i dont see myself as an entry level camera kind of guy. obviously if it does its job thats fine, i just dont like that tag.

It's all relative.  The Canon C100 is an 'entry-level' cinema camera, even though it costs about the same as the EOS 1D X flagship dSLR. 

The 6D is Canon's entry-level full frame camera, but that doesn't make it an entry level camera any more than being the least expensive Ferrari makes the Ferrari California an 'entry-level' sportscar.

yeah all very true and you are right of course,  dont you get that feeling though that people who are into cameras and photography look down on the 6d a bit? it doenst bother me but i get a that feeling a little, for some reason everyone loves the 7 series, or at least accept it.

They are tools. I doubt people who are "into" photography look down on it. As I stated before the 6D is an amazing tool, nothing more and in all honesty if/when my 5d2 dies I will consider a 6d as a backup FF. Three reasons: Good price, Similar IQ and amazing low light performance to my 5d3.

On the 7D front.. I know at least 5 amateur sports photographers who got their careers off the ground using that body and two event/wedding photographers. I got 2.5 years, a 25 foot fall into a snow bank (survived), sunk to the bottom of a river in a pelican box for an hour, A cat who seems to think EVERY time I went to change a lens on the camera at home he HAD to be right there, dropped into a still warm fire pit on a hike I did and close to 215k shutter out of that body. The damn thing was a TANK and I squeezed every penny out of the body. It is at Canon right now being prepared for a proper 7D funeral... Shot into the sun and returned with a minor scuff on the body in perfect working order.

The 7D is indeed beast. Mine have been rained on, snowed on, sanded on, saltwater wave washed, and tortured in as many ways else as humanly possible. And they still survive! But, you have the award: "Most Damage done to a 7D"!
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« Reply #218 on: February 20, 2013, 11:45:11 AM »
im just making the point that i dont see myself as an entry level camera kind of guy. obviously if it does its job thats fine, i just dont like that tag.
The 6D is Canon's entry-level full frame camera, but that doesn't make it an entry level camera any more than being the least expensive Ferrari makes the Ferrari California an 'entry-level' sportscar.

yeah all very true and you are right of course,  dont you get that feeling though that people who are into cameras and photography look down on the 6d a bit? it doenst bother me but i get a that feeling a little, for some reason everyone loves the 7 series, or at least accept it.
If I were into landscape photography, I would already have a 6D. Bang for the buck wise, I think it's the best deal out there for a Canon camera.... FF or APS-C. Anyone who looks down on you because of what gear you have is a snob who does not understand that the person holding the camera is FAR FAR FAR more important than the camera. The nicest digital picture that I have ever taken was with a 2.1 megapixel point/shoot camera... the important factors were the time, place, and composition.

I was recently driving home from Montreal around sunset with a friend who was taking pictures out of a moving car's window with an iPad as it started to get dark. When we got back and she showed me the pictures I was amazed... you could have shown them in a photographic exhibition. That's a real photographer!
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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #219 on: February 20, 2013, 11:50:39 AM »
im just making the point that i dont see myself as an entry level camera kind of guy. obviously if it does its job thats fine, i just dont like that tag.

It's all relative.  The Canon C100 is an 'entry-level' cinema camera, even though it costs about the same as the EOS 1D X flagship dSLR. 

The 6D is Canon's entry-level full frame camera, but that doesn't make it an entry level camera any more than being the least expensive Ferrari makes the Ferrari California an 'entry-level' sportscar.

yeah all very true and you are right of course,  dont you get that feeling though that people who are into cameras and photography look down on the 6d a bit? it doenst bother me but i get a that feeling a little, for some reason everyone loves the 7 series, or at least accept it.

They are tools. I doubt people who are "into" photography look down on it. As I stated before the 6D is an amazing tool, nothing more and in all honesty if/when my 5d2 dies I will consider a 6d as a backup FF. Three reasons: Good price, Similar IQ and amazing low light performance to my 5d3.

On the 7D front.. I know at least 5 amateur sports photographers who got their careers off the ground using that body and two event/wedding photographers. I got 2.5 years, a 25 foot fall into a snow bank (survived), sunk to the bottom of a river in a pelican box for an hour, A cat who seems to think EVERY time I went to change a lens on the camera at home he HAD to be right there, dropped into a still warm fire pit on a hike I did and close to 215k shutter out of that body. The damn thing was a TANK and I squeezed every penny out of the body. It is at Canon right now being prepared for a proper 7D funeral... Shot into the sun and returned with a minor scuff on the body in perfect working order.

The 7D is indeed beast. Mine have been rained on, snowed on, sanded on, saltwater wave washed, and tortured in as many ways else as humanly possible. And they still survive! But, you have the award: "Most Damage done to a 7D"!

i was stupidly wading shoulder deep in the calmest water in mexico with my canon 400d to take a picture of the flat water, i inevitably dunked it for a second  after loosing my footing, completely under.luckily it was 40 degrees so i turned it off and left it in the sun for 2 days, thats was 2 years ago, still works fine!

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #220 on: February 20, 2013, 12:02:31 PM »
im just making the point that i dont see myself as an entry level camera kind of guy. obviously if it does its job thats fine, i just dont like that tag.

It's all relative.  The Canon C100 is an 'entry-level' cinema camera, even though it costs about the same as the EOS 1D X flagship dSLR. 

The 6D is Canon's entry-level full frame camera, but that doesn't make it an entry level camera any more than being the least expensive Ferrari makes the Ferrari California an 'entry-level' sportscar.

yeah all very true and you are right of course,  dont you get that feeling though that people who are into cameras and photography look down on the 6d a bit? it doenst bother me but i get a that feeling a little, for some reason everyone loves the 7 series, or at least accept it.

They are tools. I doubt people who are "into" photography look down on it. As I stated before the 6D is an amazing tool, nothing more and in all honesty if/when my 5d2 dies I will consider a 6d as a backup FF. Three reasons: Good price, Similar IQ and amazing low light performance to my 5d3.

On the 7D front.. I know at least 5 amateur sports photographers who got their careers off the ground using that body and two event/wedding photographers. I got 2.5 years, a 25 foot fall into a snow bank (survived), sunk to the bottom of a river in a pelican box for an hour, A cat who seems to think EVERY time I went to change a lens on the camera at home he HAD to be right there, dropped into a still warm fire pit on a hike I did and close to 215k shutter out of that body. The damn thing was a TANK and I squeezed every penny out of the body. It is at Canon right now being prepared for a proper 7D funeral... Shot into the sun and returned with a minor scuff on the body in perfect working order.

The 7D is indeed beast. Mine have been rained on, snowed on, sanded on, saltwater wave washed, and tortured in as many ways else as humanly possible. And they still survive! But, you have the award: "Most Damage done to a 7D"!

I think my cat caused more damage in all honesty then anything else.

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Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]
« Reply #221 on: February 20, 2013, 12:12:30 PM »
This camera would have a pixel density equal to a 61mp full frame camera, that is far beyond the resolving power of most lenses.

Grrrrr....would people quit saying entirely wrong stuff like that please?  First of all resolving power doesn't work like that.  Second, even if it did the better lenses can already resolve up into the many hundreds of megapixels on full frame.

Yes, but diffraction softness at this pixel density starts to become a problem, get up to f/5.6 or higher and you start loosing sharpness.

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« Reply #222 on: February 20, 2013, 12:13:07 PM »
I agree with the others who have pointed out that people who are truly into photography don't give a rat's rear about what market segment their gear supposedly fits into.

before the 6D came along, the 5D Mark II was Canon's "entry-level" full frame camera. despite being "entry-level" in marketing-land, in photography-land the camera was a heavyweight champion and there are tons of working professionals who shot award-winning, top-flight work with that camera.

buying a camera should never come down to whether or not you want the top grade APS-C or the cheapest FF. it should be about what you want to shoot, how you want to do it, and which camera will do the most out of the things you want it to. if you're picking a camera because you're worried about how people will judge you for it, you need to work on your mental game and focus on what matters - the image.

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« Reply #223 on: February 20, 2013, 12:13:20 PM »
im just making the point that i dont see myself as an entry level camera kind of guy. obviously if it does its job thats fine, i just dont like that tag.
The 6D is Canon's entry-level full frame camera, but that doesn't make it an entry level camera any more than being the least expensive Ferrari makes the Ferrari California an 'entry-level' sportscar.

yeah all very true and you are right of course,  dont you get that feeling though that people who are into cameras and photography look down on the 6d a bit? it doenst bother me but i get a that feeling a little, for some reason everyone loves the 7 series, or at least accept it.
If I were into landscape photography, I would already have a 6D. Bang for the buck wise, I think it's the best deal out there for a Canon camera.... FF or APS-C. Anyone who looks down on you because of what gear you have is a snob who does not understand that the person holding the camera is FAR FAR FAR more important than the camera. The nicest digital picture that I have ever taken was with a 2.1 megapixel point/shoot camera... the important factors were the time, place, and composition.

I was recently driving home from Montreal around sunset with a friend who was taking pictures out of a moving car's window with an iPad as it started to get dark. When we got back and she showed me the pictures I was amazed... you could have shown them in a photographic exhibition. That's a real photographer!

If I were to go heavily into landscape photography I'd get a 1Ds Mark III and try for one around $2500.  While I agree the person behind the camera is very important, with digital the equipment does begin to matter, especially with lens improvements and sensor technology rapidly developing, as opposed to the film era.  I shoot exactly the same way with my 1DX as I did with a 1D4, and my photos are much better than before, and I have more keepers.  The only difference is the camera.
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« Reply #224 on: February 20, 2013, 12:14:43 PM »
GPS & Wifi + build like 5D Mark III... Is that even possible? Doesn't 7D also have a pop up flash? Would be weird to drop it from Mark II.
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