Canon EOS 7D Mark II Spec List [CR2]

[20Dave]

I really can't say how Canon decides what products to bring to market. I imagine it is a rather complex process with far too many "moving parts". I work at a very large, established company that develops online educational platforms. From the outside things look very simple and cohesive, but decision making processes are extremely complex, usually involve hundreds of people, and take a very long time. We have an 80-step process that must be followed to patent anything, that spans at least 7 departments.

Given how large and established Canon is...I'd imagine their decision making processes are fairly similar, at least on the complexity front. Although them being a Japanese company, things are probably more orderly and refined (something the Japanese excel at, where as American companies tend to get mired too deeply into political infighting, empire building, petty squabbling, etc.)

I think that they need to watch out for too many lines cropping up (no pun intended) that makes the buying decision difficult. In the DSLR world, it used to be an easy decision:
xxxD (e.g. 450D, aka Rebel) as the entry level DSLR
1Dx as the professional DSLR
xxD as a little of both worlds

The clear distinctions in terms of price point and functionality made my choice of the 20D very easy.

Now I'm pulling out the precious few hairs that I have left trying to figure out what to get as an upgrade for my aging 20D. I'll never earn a dime with my photos; my preferred subjects are wildlife/birds, but I would love to try landscapes as well. I was thinking 7D for a while, but longing after a 5DIII. I have been holding out hope that the 5DIII would reach a price point where I can mention it to my better half with a straight face. It's starting to get there, but now the 7DII is on the horizon, so I may wait to see what it looks like in terms of specs/price. I keep dragging my feet, and Canon is missing at least one sale (mine) as a result.

[My prediction - I'll buy a 5DIII towards the end of the year unless the 7DII really rocks. I bought my 20D right after the 30D was introduced to take advantage of the price drop.]

Don't get me wrong, it is better for the consumer to have more choices, but with so many options now, I question the ROI on some models. Is the DSLR market really big enough to support so many choices from one company? It's starting to feel like GM of 5-10 years ago.

[floex712]

IMO, 20MP would be fine on a crop sensor. As far as wi-fi and GPS go, they can do exactly that, GO. Obviously that would require a non-mag alloy top on the body which eats at build quality. More than anything else I am concerned with fitting 24MP on a crop sensor, but here's hoping.

[jrista]

IMO, 20MP would be fine on a crop sensor. As far as wi-fi and GPS go, they can do exactly that, GO. Obviously that would require a non-mag alloy top on the body which eats at build quality. More than anything else I am concerned with fitting 24MP on a crop sensor, but here's hoping.

I don't know how many times we'll have to go over this, but magnesium is not a good electromagnetic shield...stuffing GPS and WiFi into a mag body should be fine. I do not believe having a plastic body is a prereq.

[hmmm]

D7100 in the mix: -- let's take a quick first look -- the D7100 packs high level build, the 51 pt AF of the D4, 15 cross sensors, af to f8 -- improved 24MP sensor with no optical low-pass filter --100% pentamirror viewfinder, SD 2-slots ... seems the D7100 covers a lot of the same ground as the 7D mKII -- but at $1200, not $2200!   

[Marsu42]

D7100 in the mix: -- let's take a quick first look

Esp. with the crop mode from aps-c the 24mp d7100 will be a budget sports/wildlife shooter's dream, looking at Canon's latest innovations I somehow doubt that they'll put something equivalent in the 7d2 but more likely they'll try keep selling their tele lenses :-o

1.3x Crop Mode - Sports photographers take note: Building upon the telephoto benefits of the DX-format, the D7100 has the unique ability to shoot in a 1.3x DX crop mode for both stills and HD video. While in this innovative mode, shooters will gain an extra telephoto boost (2X), and a boost in burst speed to seven fps, with 15.4- megapixel resolution. Additionally, while in this mode, the 51-point AF array covers more of the frame, allowing improved subject acquisition and tracking performance through the viewfinder.

[jrista]

D7100 in the mix: -- let's take a quick first look -- the D7100 packs high level build, the 51 pt AF of the D4, 15 cross sensors, af to f8 -- improved 24MP sensor with no optical low-pass filter --100% pentamirror viewfinder, SD 2-slots ... seems the D7100 covers a lot of the same ground as the 7D mKII -- but at $1200, not $2200!   

Just to keep things in perspective...they've started complaining about it, too!   

If they seriously think this strategy of making the D4 the only fast camera is going to push everyone to shell out $6k, they're living in fairy land. Can't wait till used D3s's are under $3k.

Exactly! I want a low-light camera with high-speed shooting. I don't care about Megapixels and AA filters (very few people do). Low-light (available/non-flash light) shooting is a huge part of photography. How can they focus so much on AA filters?? And the megapixel war should have been over 5 years ago! Give me an 18 MP, 10 FPS, and 12,800 pure-clean ISO.

Two SD slots...ugh. I wish it had at least one CF.

Yea, cuz everyone loves being stuck back in 2004.

NR, there are canon 7D2 specs out there. That is proof of a D400.

And 6fps will not be enough to compete with the 7D2.

Even Fred Flintstone had something to bitch about it, and all he's used to are stone age stone cameras!

Ergonomics nowhere near as good as a D300/s, owners of D300 will be in tears if this kills the D400 hopes

For all of those who think it's all bliss over in Nikon land...here's a whiff: They bitch and moan just as much as we do, only about the latest and greatest Nikon thingamajig. 

And its so ironic, too...we bitch about having AA filters....they bitch about NOT having them. We bitch about having too many fps...they bitch about none of their cameras competing with the 7D line.

Ah, the ironies. SO MANY IRONIES!

[expatinasia]

Esp. with the crop mode from aps-c the 24mp d7100 will be a budget sports/wildlife shooter's dream, looking at Canon's latest innovations I somehow doubt that they'll put something equivalent in the 7d2 but more likely they'll try keep selling their tele lenses :-o

I would hardly call 6fps or 7fps a sports shooter's dream. Nice, but hardly dream material, even if you are on a budget.

If the 7D Mark II can really do 10fps then that would be great.

[RMC33]

Esp. with the crop mode from aps-c the 24mp d7100 will be a budget sports/wildlife shooter's dream, looking at Canon's latest innovations I somehow doubt that they'll put something equivalent in the 7d2 but more likely they'll try keep selling their tele lenses :-o

I would hardly call 6fps or 7fps a sports shooter's dream. Nice, but hardly dream material, even if you are on a budget.

If the 7D Mark II can really do 10fps then that would be great.

6 is good in the sticks~

8 is great~

10 and Ben Roethlisberger is your focus~

12 and you get to delve into the land of sports MF~

14 FPS is just plain obscene~

[K3nt]

Esp. with the crop mode from aps-c the 24mp d7100 will be a budget sports/wildlife shooter's dream, looking at Canon's latest innovations I somehow doubt that they'll put something equivalent in the 7d2 but more likely they'll try keep selling their tele lenses :-o

I would hardly call 6fps or 7fps a sports shooter's dream. Nice, but hardly dream material, even if you are on a budget.

If the 7D Mark II can really do 10fps then that would be great.

6 is good in the sticks~

8 is great~

10 and Ben Roethlisberger is your focus~

12 and you get to delve into the land of sports MF~

14 FPS is just plain obscene~

+10.000 for the '14 is obscene' comment.  I saw a guy shooting a 1D-X at a local sports event at 14fps and HOLY CR*P! The sound of the shutter was insane! My 7D sounded like an arthritic in comparison and it is no slouch. 

[Hillsilly]

Hey Canon......

I guess I'm learning it the hard way... 

Sorry, just having some fun.  Realistically, with Canon being such a big company I'd be surprised if there weren't employees looking at forums like this to get ideas and feedback.  But Given that we're already invested in the Canon system, they know they don't have to do anything too special to please us.  They just have to make it unattractive to change brands.  To paraphrase Edward de Bono, Canon don't need to make the best cameras in the world to please their existing customers.  They just need to make cameras that aren't significantly worse than Nikon or Sony.

[neuroanatomist]

D7100 in the mix: -- let's take a quick first look -- the ...--100% pentamirror viewfinder...

Are you sure about that?  Pentamirrors are cheaper (which is why they're used in the Rebel/xxxD line) and dimmer than the preferable pentaprisms.

[garyknrd]

Hey Canon......

I guess I'm learning it the hard way... 

Sorry, just having some fun.  Realistically, with Canon being such a big company I'd be surprised if there weren't employees looking at forums like this to get ideas and feedback.  But Given that we're already invested in the Canon system, they know they don't have to do anything too special to please us.  They just have to make it unattractive to change brands.  To paraphrase Edward de Bono, Canon don't need to make the best cameras in the world to please their existing customers.  They just need to make cameras that aren't significantly worse than Nikon or Sony.

LOL,, that is true.

[bseitz234]

Love the ironies...

And its so ironic, too...we bitch about having AA filters....they bitch about NOT having them. We bitch about having too many fps...they bitch about none of their cameras competing with the 7D line.

Ah, the ironies. SO MANY IRONIES!

in terms of price, FPS, the 7100 seems more on-par with an x0D than a 7d. Especially if it's a pentamirror VF instead of a pentaprism... which as neuro pointed out, is more xx0 than x0. Higher MP, sure, but that's what Nikon's all about, isn't it? I feel like this doesn't put that much pressure on an upcoming 7d2

[tcmatthews]

The body is made of magnesium.

Air has a permeability of 1.000 000 37
Magnesium has a permiability of 1.000 12
Steel and iron are around 100
Mu-Metal, used for electromagnet shielding, is around 20,000 to 50,000

Think of permeability as the materials ability to react to (attenuate) radio signals.

In other words, the magnesium body is  for all practical purposes, transparent to electromagnetic waves (radio)..... and even if it wasn't, there are dozens of holes through the metal shell.

It has been a long time sense I took electrodynamics courses in collage but this just did not sound right.  This is true for the magnetic quality but magnesium is still conductive.  Air is not.   In fact aluminum is used for EMI shielding all the time and it has a permeability of 1.000021.  This is greatly dependent on frequency at 2.4 Ghz the penetration of electromagnetic waves or skin depth of magnesium is only around 5.7 micro-meter.  I would say that you will need a RF window for any wireless to work.  I imagine that 800 Mhz  would just go right through it. But we are talking wireless so that is 2.4 Ghz or higher.   Just because something is not magnetic does not mean that it is a poor at EMI shielding. 

If you do not want to take my word for it I found a like to a company that makes magnesium alloy casting touting EMI shielding as one of the advantages.  It is named Wellcharter.  The site will not let me post the link here.

[Fr3lncr]

Comparing the 7100 specs against the rumoured specs of the 7DMKII, Nikon will have to release something a little bit higher because as it stands, the 7DMKII will beat it on all specs.

Since the price difference is estimated to be $1,000, and looking at the specs, the 7100 has got to be just competition for the 70D.

But since Nikon showed their cards first, I bet they wont show the D400 until after the 7DMKII is out so they can try and trump Canon.