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Re: Nikon finally Admits D600 Dust Problem
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2013, 03:11:30 PM »
Being a Canon owner, I am unaware of this issue. Can somebody explain to me what is going on with the Nikon D600?


The initial batches of the D600 reported large amounts of dust, mostly concentrated in the top right corner of the frame. Roger Cicala at LensRentals did a couple of reports and suggested that it was due to the new shutter mechanism. In his second blog post, he reported that the issue clears up to normal levels after ~3000 shots.

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/10/d600-sensor-dust-issues
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/11/not-surprisingly-d600-dust-issue-gets-better-over-time

Of course, people are blowing this all out of proportion because it's a new camera and a big purchase for any hobbyist. I wouldn't want a sensor that makes itself dusty, but it's not the end of the world to whip out a cleaning swab every once in a while.

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Re: Nikon finally Admits D600 Dust Problem
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2013, 03:16:48 PM »
Of course, people are blowing this all out of proportion because it's a new camera and a big purchase for any hobbyist. I wouldn't want a sensor that makes itself dusty, but it's not the end of the world to whip out a cleaning swab every once in a while.
If the camera is going to collect that much dust after having spent $2000, I don't think it is "blowing out of proportion" ... it is very justified for people to complain about the sub-standard quality control of Nikon. People complain about Sigma & Tamron quality control for products that cost a quarter of the price Nikon is charging for D600
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Re: Nikon finally Admits D600 Dust Problem
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2013, 12:41:17 AM »
Of course, people are blowing this all out of proportion because it's a new camera and a big purchase for any hobbyist. I wouldn't want a sensor that makes itself dusty, but it's not the end of the world to whip out a cleaning swab every once in a while.
If the camera is going to collect that much dust after having spent $2000, I don't think it is "blowing out of proportion" ... it is very justified for people to complain about the sub-standard quality control of Nikon. People complain about Sigma & Tamron quality control for products that cost a quarter of the price Nikon is charging for D600

Sensor cleaning isn't hard to do nor is the equipment necessary particularly expensive compared to the cost of a full frame body. My main complaint with the D600 is the plasticky body and IMO inferior ergonomics; it makes me happy that I got a D700 while they were still in production.

People complain about third party lenses because of more frequent decentering, AF issues, etc, none of which have a fix as easy as just cleaning the sensor. BTW, I think both of the companies you mentioned have made great strides and I wouldn't hesitate to buy a lens from either one these days.

Roger from Lensrentals reported the dust "issue" falls to well within normal limits after 3000 shots. That's a few weekends or a single vacation for me? Hardly a big deal IMO, but to each his own  :)

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Re: Nikon finally Admits D600 Dust Problem
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2013, 11:10:09 AM »
Of course, people are blowing this all out of proportion because it's a new camera and a big purchase for any hobbyist. I wouldn't want a sensor that makes itself dusty, but it's not the end of the world to whip out a cleaning swab every once in a while.
If the camera is going to collect that much dust after having spent $2000, I don't think it is "blowing out of proportion" ... it is very justified for people to complain about the sub-standard quality control of Nikon. People complain about Sigma & Tamron quality control for products that cost a quarter of the price Nikon is charging for D600

Sensor cleaning isn't hard to do nor is the equipment necessary particularly expensive compared to the cost of a full frame body. My main complaint with the D600 is the plasticky body and IMO inferior ergonomics; it makes me happy that I got a D700 while they were still in production.

People complain about third party lenses because of more frequent decentering, AF issues, etc, none of which have a fix as easy as just cleaning the sensor. BTW, I think both of the companies you mentioned have made great strides and I wouldn't hesitate to buy a lens from either one these days.

Roger from Lensrentals reported the dust "issue" falls to well within normal limits after 3000 shots. That's a few weekends or a single vacation for me? Hardly a big deal IMO, but to each his own  :)
When a company like Nikon frequently screws up on their brand new gear people are going to complain about the sub-standard quality control of Nikon ... remember the Nikon EN-EL15 issue, the SB 900, and now the D600 sensor. In the case of Sigma & Tamron they have always been willing to calibrate their lenses with your DSLR without charging for it i.e. they acknowledged the problem, unlike Nikon when the SB 900 had problems all they did was produce SB 910 and make more money from their goof-up. Nikon cannot expect their customers to go clean the sensor of a brand new camera (costing $2000) which should have been free from dust and oil in the first place.
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Re: Nikon finally Admits D600 Dust Problem
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2013, 11:35:29 AM »
Sensor cleaning isn't hard to do nor is the equipment necessary particularly expensive compared to the cost of a full frame body.

No, but it's terribly scary to do... I've personally cleaned my 5DMkII three times now (with a sensor swab and solution) and fortunately I don't have to do that too often. Happy to report my 7D is still (visible) dust free :)
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Re: Nikon finally Admits D600 Dust Problem
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2013, 11:04:12 AM »

When a company like Nikon frequently screws up on their brand new gear people are going to complain about the sub-standard quality control of Nikon ... remember the Nikon EN-EL15 issue, the SB 900, and now the D600 sensor. In the case of Sigma & Tamron they have always been willing to calibrate their lenses with your DSLR without charging for it i.e. they acknowledged the problem, unlike Nikon when the SB 900 had problems all they did was produce SB 910 and make more money from their goof-up. Nikon cannot expect their customers to go clean the sensor of a brand new camera (costing $2000) which should have been free from dust and oil in the first place.

Ah-hem... the light leak in the 5D3? The problems with the speedlite AF assist beam? Blinking red AF point?

And the 5D3 is much, much more expensive than the D600. Nikon is not better and not worse than other manufacturers. It's only normal that new products have some unexpected flaw but early adopters don't hear from that ear.

Honestly, in my opinion Nikon's outing at this point means they solved it. I don't see any other reason otherwise to admit something they've been denying so far.

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Re: Nikon finally Admits D600 Dust Problem
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2013, 12:28:43 PM »

When a company like Nikon frequently screws up on their brand new gear people are going to complain about the sub-standard quality control of Nikon ... remember the Nikon EN-EL15 issue, the SB 900, and now the D600 sensor. In the case of Sigma & Tamron they have always been willing to calibrate their lenses with your DSLR without charging for it i.e. they acknowledged the problem, unlike Nikon when the SB 900 had problems all they did was produce SB 910 and make more money from their goof-up. Nikon cannot expect their customers to go clean the sensor of a brand new camera (costing $2000) which should have been free from dust and oil in the first place.

Ah-hem... the light leak in the 5D3? The problems with the speedlite AF assist beam? Blinking red AF point?
Maybe you are not aware, Canon did admit all of the above issues you've raised and fixed one of them and assured customers that it is currently working on the speedlite AF assist beam ... unlike Nikon which made its customers pay for SB910 when they goofed up on SB900, Canon is not charging its customers for those issues ... besides a light leak is nowhere near as bad as a dirty/oil sensor.
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2013, 01:10:05 PM »
a light leak is nowhere near as bad as a dirty/oil sensor.

I was unaware you could fix a light leak with a $5 swab without having to open up your camera's case.

Give it up, it's really not a big deal  :)

5D3 dynamic range, now THAT'S a big deal  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Nikon finally Admits D600 Dust Problem
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2013, 01:17:38 PM »
Being a Canon user, I was completely unaware of such faults. No need to panic, continue to shoot canon.


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Re: Nikon finally Admits D600 Dust Problem
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2013, 03:15:30 PM »
a light leak is nowhere near as bad as a dirty/oil sensor.

I was unaware you could fix a light leak with a $5 swab without having to open up your camera's case.

Give it up, it's really not a big deal  :)

5D3 dynamic range, now THAT'S a big deal  ;D ;D ;D
The point is Canon acknowledged and fixed the issue rightaway FOC ... Nikon is not even admitting that it is a widespread problem
Tell all the customers who spent $2000 on a dirty oily sensor that it is not a big deal and see what they'll tell you.
Accepted that 5D3 dynamic range is not on par with Nikon D800 ... but Canon never misguided anyone or advertised anywhere by claiming that their Dynamic range is better than the Nikon ... you should check your facts.
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Re: Nikon finally Admits D600 Dust Problem
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2013, 03:30:08 PM »
The Canon 1Ds3 had oil issues when they were new.  They over oiled the mirror arms and high speed shooting (if you could call it that) would fling lots of oil all over the sensor.  I had to send mine in to be cleans since it was waaaaay too much to attempt to clean up plus they had to remove some of the oil from the mirror arms.  These things happen to all manufacturers. 

Now the focusing problem of the 1Ds3 was a different issue that was worthy of complaining about.  :-\
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Re: Nikon finally Admits D600 Dust Problem
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2013, 04:28:15 AM »
The Canon 1Ds3 had oil issues when they were new.  They over oiled the mirror arms and high speed shooting (if you could call it that) would fling lots of oil all over the sensor.  I had to send mine in to be cleans since it was waaaaay too much to attempt to clean up plus they had to remove some of the oil from the mirror arms.  These things happen to all manufacturers. 

Now the focusing problem of the 1Ds3 was a different issue that was worthy of complaining about.  :-\
Absolutely ... when there is an issue with gear that costs thousands of dollars the customer has every right to compalin  (doesn't matter if it is Canon or Nikon) ... my only problem is when people say that is "not a big deal" ... of course it is a big deal, it is our hard earned money and if there is a large scale problem people are bound to raise that issue, but that certainly does not mean we are "blowing it out of proportion".   
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