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Will 70d have a new sensor?

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Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« on: February 28, 2013, 03:42:30 PM »
I believe that it will have the same 18mp sensor (hope Canon will prove me wrong!). In fact I think that Canon will introduce the new sensor in 7d ii..

Of course a camera is a lot more things than the sensor and Canon cameras are great overall, but it 'd be nice to see a new aps-c sensor!
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Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« on: February 28, 2013, 03:42:30 PM »

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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2013, 04:51:40 PM »
Me thinks new incremental improvements within the legacy technology.  That is...like 6d over 5d3.  Otherwise 70d would steal the 7d2 thunder

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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2013, 05:10:37 PM »
Neither the 70D nor the 7D mkII will have same or better low ISO-performance. Not a chance. Crop vs FF etc.

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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2013, 05:37:26 PM »
Four FF bodies in the current line up (if you include the 5D mk II), and four different sensors (22MP, 21MP, 20MP and 18MP). Six crop bodies in the current line up (7D, 60D, 650D, 600D, 1100D, EOS M), just two sensors - 18MP and 12MP - if you count the with PDAF and without PDAF versions of that 18MP sensor as one.

I can't see any reason to carry on with using just one sensor across the range other than entry level - why not develop more than one, like they have in their FF cameras? They sell so many more crop bodies than FF, you'd have thought if they were going to share tech anywhere it would be in the FF range, not crop.

If Canon start to show the same level of R&D in crop sensors as they do in FF, there's no reason why the 70D couldn't come with a new sensor, followed by the 7D with yet another.
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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2013, 05:54:38 PM »
Yes the major  differentiation points  will be in pixel pitch and AF .  But within the same general technology cycle there are incremental improvements in the raw output of the sensor itself  and I expect we will see this in the crob bodies too

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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2013, 06:36:00 PM »
My guess and my hope: 1100D/T3 replacement with the old 18MP sensor and digic V, 60D and 650D/T4i replacements with a new 24MP sensor and digic V, 7D replacement with a new 18-20 MP sensor and dual digic VI. I'm optimistic. Please don't ask why I'm hoping for no more than 20MP on the 7D2...

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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2013, 07:06:01 PM »
My guess and my hope: 1100D/T3 replacement with the old 18MP sensor and digic V, 60D and 650D/T4i replacements with a new 24MP sensor and digic V, 7D replacement with a new 18-20 MP sensor and dual digic VI. I'm optimistic. Please don't ask why I'm hoping for no more than 20MP on the 7D2...

Dual digic will be reserved for 7d2

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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2013, 07:20:32 PM »
Please don't ask why I'm hoping for no more than 20MP on the 7D2...
You said don't ask, but I can't resist  ;)  To get the frame rate as high as possible?
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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2013, 07:28:48 PM »
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Yep.

Next generation of crop sensor starts now. Kiss the venerable 18mp goodbye.
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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2013, 07:35:29 PM »
Nope. 70D will be an updated version of existing sensor. The new tech is reserved for the 7Dll...

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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2013, 07:51:11 PM »
I thought they change the sensor in the t4i compared to the t3i, they left it at 18mp. Googled it and it said both ways but there are small changes one the spec page with the total pixels.
So my guess is it will be the same sensor was the t4i and stay at 18mp. I am really happy with 18 mp , if it is good enough for the 1Dx, it is good enough for me ha ha. Now if i could only get the 1DX

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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2013, 07:58:16 PM »

Agree with those saying that the 70D will not have a new sensor.   The 70D can't be perceived by customers as the top of the line APS-C.  But given how old the 7D1 is, people may believe that the 70D is better anyway.

For that reason, I'm really surprised the 7D2 isn't coming out before the 70D.  It's far more logical to go like this:

Lead with 7D2 --> extra processor for highest burst, brand spanking new sensor, 1DX / 5D3 AF, high-end $2k offering, etc.
Stagger 70D 6-12 months later --> just one processor for modest burst, that same 7D2 sensor, a 7D1-like AF
Stagger the next Rebel after that --> same 7D2 sensor but with nerfed AF and burst

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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2013, 08:02:54 PM »
My guess and my hope: 1100D/T3 replacement with the old 18MP sensor and digic V, 60D and 650D/T4i replacements with a new 24MP sensor and digic V, 7D replacement with a new 18-20 MP sensor and dual digic VI. I'm optimistic. Please don't ask why I'm hoping for no more than 20MP on the 7D2...

Dual digic will be reserved for 7d2

That's exactly what I'm saying!  ;)

Please don't ask why I'm hoping for no more than 20MP on the 7D2...
You said don't ask, but I can't resist  ;)  To get the frame rate as high as possible?

Yesssss! And to have better IQ in terms of DR and noise over a higher density sensor. I said 'my guess and my hope' because I would like to own both the 7D2 and the rumored high MP FF by the end of 2014  :P. But that's me, presently having a 5D2, which I'm going to keep, anyway!  8)

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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2013, 08:31:47 PM »

It's far more logical to go like this:

Lead with 7D2 --> extra processor for highest burst, brand spanking new sensor, 1DX / 5D3 AF, high-end $2k offering, etc.
Stagger 70D 6-12 months later --> just one processor for modest burst, that same 7D2 sensor, a 7D1-like AF
Stagger the next Rebel after that --> same 7D2 sensor but with nerfed AF and burst

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Not from a marketing perspective, in my opinion. Moreover, in recent times Canon used to respond soon after Nikon's proposals, at least that's what happened over the past 5-6 years or so. Now, the D7100 is out and the 70D is supposed to be its competitor, whereas we know nothing about the Nikon D300s replacement other than rumors - not many, no need for Canon to rush with the 7D2 in this respect.
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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2013, 08:47:55 PM »

Agree with those saying that the 70D will not have a new sensor.   The 70D can't be perceived by customers as the top of the line APS-C.  But given how old the 7D1 is, people may believe that the 70D is better anyway.

For that reason, I'm really surprised the 7D2 isn't coming out before the 70D.  It's far more logical to go like this:

Lead with 7D2 --> extra processor for highest burst, brand spanking new sensor, 1DX / 5D3 AF, high-end $2k offering, etc.
Stagger 70D 6-12 months later --> just one processor for modest burst, that same 7D2 sensor, a 7D1-like AF
Stagger the next Rebel after that --> same 7D2 sensor but with nerfed AF and burst

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Re: Will the 70d have a new sensor?
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2013, 08:47:55 PM »