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EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« on: March 05, 2013, 04:35:18 AM »
A very nice problem to have I know, but I have an important sporting event to shoot in April and have decided to rent a EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM.

As it is a fast moving sport (think soccer/football/rugby) in an open air stadium, I am very tempted to couple my 1D X with the 400 f/2.8L IS II USM especially as a Group A lens it makes the most of the 1D X's AF system, and will perform better in low light (thought the entire pitch will be very well flood lit. But (always a but isn't there!), the extra reach of the EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM could be great to have. Both are version II.

I am not new to sports, but have never owned or used one of the very big whites so I do appreciate any input from those that do/have.

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EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2013, 06:22:56 AM »
For field sports, the 600mm will quite possibly be too long.  I'd go with the 400mm lens for your intended use. A good monopod will help a lot, too.
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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2013, 06:28:26 AM »
I'd suggest the 400 too especially with it's f2.8. Also, you may want to carry a 2nd body with a 70-200 f2.8 or similar for when action gets a bit close to your position.

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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2013, 07:46:28 AM »
Thanks Menace and neuroanatomist.

That is what I was thinking. I had already ordered the 600 but the more I thought about it the more the 400 started to make sense. I will change the order following your suggestions.

Have a second body with the 70-200 f/2.8 so not to worry there.

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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2013, 07:59:42 AM »
If you're worried about reach, get the 1.4X teleconverter too, and then you'll have effectively a 560mm f/4 lens, for when you need the extra length.
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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2013, 08:34:55 AM »
If you're worried about reach, get the 1.4X teleconverter too, and then you'll have effectively a 560mm f/4 lens, for when you need the extra length.

Also order a sleight of hand expert to add or remove the TC on an as needed basis, quickly enough to not miss the intended action :P
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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2013, 09:40:44 AM »
I shoot a variety of sports with a 400mm f2.8 IS, and I strongly recommend the 400.  When the 400 is too short, you can crop.  When the 600 is too long, you can't.

Also the 2.8 vs 4 is very helpful especially for night games.

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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2013, 09:51:36 AM »
tell me more about this sleight of hand expert and where I might find one

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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2013, 09:55:15 AM »
i had this same dilemma when I purchased my copy of the new 400. I chose the 4 vs the 6 and glad i did.  so much more versatile than being stuck with a 6

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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2013, 09:57:35 AM »
tell me more about this sleight of hand expert and where I might find one


They include one when you buy the soon-to-be-announced 200-400 f/4L 1.4x...  ;)

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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2013, 12:39:42 PM »
I chose the 4 vs the 6 and glad i did.  so much more versatile than being stuck with a 6

Depends on what you shoot. For me, the 'more versatile' 400 isn't long enough.  The 600 II plus TCs gives me 840mm and 1200mm with AF - that's the sort of versatility that I need...
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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2013, 01:08:17 PM »
A very nice problem to have I know, but I have an important sporting event to shoot in April and have decided to rent a EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM.

As it is a fast moving sport (think soccer/football/rugby) in an open air stadium, I am very tempted to couple my 1D X with the 400 f/2.8L IS II USM especially as a Group A lens it makes the most of the 1D X's AF system, and will perform better in low light (thought the entire pitch will be very well flood lit. But (always a but isn't there!), the extra reach of the EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM could be great to have. Both are version II.

I am not new to sports, but have never owned or used one of the very big whites so I do appreciate any input from those that do/have.

Thanks.

Have you considered a 500?   Lighten then either lens, especially the mark 2

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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2013, 02:04:08 PM »
tell me more about this sleight of hand expert and where I might find one

That was tongue-in-cheek.
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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2013, 02:51:40 PM »
A very nice problem to have I know, but I have an important sporting event to shoot in April and have decided to rent a EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM.

As it is a fast moving sport (think soccer/football/rugby) in an open air stadium, I am very tempted to couple my 1D X with the 400 f/2.8L IS II USM especially as a Group A lens it makes the most of the 1D X's AF system, and will perform better in low light (thought the entire pitch will be very well flood lit. But (always a but isn't there!), the extra reach of the EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM could be great to have. Both are version II.

I am not new to sports, but have never owned or used one of the very big whites so I do appreciate any input from those that do/have.

Thanks.

Have you considered a 500?   Lighten then either lens, especially the mark 2

Too true. I own the 400 2.8 II and have a 500 4 II on rental at the moment. I have been using the 500 every day and night with out much issue. The main reason for the swap is due to the weight (I shoot skiing and have to pack my gear) and the fact that I went from a 7D to a 1Dx so the little bit of reach is nice. I am seriously considering selling my 400 and buying a 500.
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Re: EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM or EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2013, 03:18:41 PM »
I've shot American football and and futbol and 400's the choice lens for the long side. 600 can be a tad too cramp.
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