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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2013, 11:42:57 PM »

I thought everybody's favorite Canon lens (including all the experts) is the 70-200 f/2.8 ii.

Forgive me for saying this, and it is not directed at you, but I wanted to use the quote from the post:

Yes, 70-200 II is a sharp "all around" lens, but it is also an over-hyped lens where many newbies parrot "this is a great lens" line...

While it is priced somewhat above the common consumer, its ownership doesn't set anyone apart and at least some seem to think it does...almost like a diploma. This lens is quite achievable and owned by many, and used effectively by many...but by no means is it the "be all end all lens" that should herald the arrival of anyone into the photographers' fold... another frequent line..."It does EVERYTHING I need"...  ::)   

I refer to the 70-200 2.8II as the "I too have arrived achievable newbie zoom", not that highly competent pros don't use it...many do and produce stunning images. But the newbies and the "review readers" seek it and own it like it is an end unto itself...almost like a badge...it is like a debutant's cotillion walk down the banister-lined stairs...

So no, 70-200 2.8 II is not one of my top three, and yes I own it.

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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2013, 11:42:57 PM »

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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2013, 12:01:33 AM »

I thought everybody's favorite Canon lens (including all the experts) is the 70-200 f/2.8 ii.

Forgive me for saying this, and it is not directed at you, but I wanted to use the quote from the post:

Yes, 70-200 II is a sharp "all around" lens, but it is also an over-hyped lens where many newbies parrot "this is a great lens" line...

While it is priced somewhat above the common consumer, its ownership doesn't set anyone apart and at least some seem to think it does...almost like a diploma. This lens is quite achievable and owned by many, and used effectively by many...but by no means is it the "be all end all lens" that should herald the arrival of anyone into the photographers' fold... another frequent line..."It does EVERYTHING I need"...  ::)   

I refer to the 70-200 2.8II as the "I too have arrived achievable newbie zoom", not that highly competent pros don't use it...many do and produce stunning images. But the newbies and the "review readers" seek it and own it like it is an end unto itself...almost like a badge...it is like a debutant's cotillion walk down the banister-lined stairs...

So no, 70-200 2.8 II is not one of my top three, and yes I own it.

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Hahahaha...I don't own it, and I agree with you, it's over-hyped.  It's not one of my top three either.  I was just stating what most people think.  If you want to be seen as a professional wedding shooter or photo journalist, and you shoot Canon...you either have to get one, or go home.  Fortunately, I'm neither of those.

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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2013, 01:06:59 AM »

I thought everybody's favorite Canon lens (including all the experts) is the 70-200 f/2.8 ii.

Forgive me for saying this, and it is not directed at you, but I wanted to use the quote from the post:

Yes, 70-200 II is a sharp "all around" lens, but it is also an over-hyped lens where many newbies parrot "this is a great lens" line...

While it is priced somewhat above the common consumer, its ownership doesn't set anyone apart and at least some seem to think it does...almost like a diploma. This lens is quite achievable and owned by many, and used effectively by many...but by no means is it the "be all end all lens" that should herald the arrival of anyone into the photographers' fold... another frequent line..."It does EVERYTHING I need"...  ::)   

I refer to the 70-200 2.8II as the "I too have arrived achievable newbie zoom", not that highly competent pros don't use it...many do and produce stunning images. But the newbies and the "review readers" seek it and own it like it is an end unto itself...almost like a badge...it is like a debutant's cotillion walk down the banister-lined stairs...

So no, 70-200 2.8 II is not one of my top three, and yes I own it.

*gets off soap box*

Hahahaha...I don't own it, and I agree with you, it's over-hyped.  It's not one of my top three either.  I was just stating what most people think.  If you want to be seen as a professional wedding shooter or photo journalist, and you shoot Canon...you either have to get one, or go home.  Fortunately, I'm neither of those.

Those job lines require versatility. I know a few PJ's and wedding guys/gals who shoot with a 200 f/2 and make stunning images...

I honestly love my 70-200 as a 2nd lens to my 400 f/2.8 while shooting sports. If I am rocking the 200 f/2 (indoors) I keep my 24-70 on the 2nd body. 3rd body is my 8-15 fish. No questions.

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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2013, 06:06:51 AM »
...Now...back to the topic.....the 85mm f/1.2...ahem... ::)
I love this lens..and justin gave a very good perspective of this piece of glass in the review.
One thing I notice from Justin's review and many of the comments is that so many just sideline this lens most of the time because of it quirks and difficulty in use, (which is valid)...I have the same thoughts...but I try to overcome them and push thru an suffer, oh I mean use this lens more often. The lens is so unique, the fact that it got off the drawing board and was produced is incredible (the contacts on the rear of the lens are mounted on the glass for Gods sake!)... Many limits were pushed here and achieving those goals created some compromises...but it was masterfully done.
Obviously, this is not the glass you want too take when you need to work fast and have a lot of keepers...but, oh...when you want to look for the unknown (not certainty)...now that is where this lens shines..and many times it produces art.
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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2013, 08:58:13 AM »
On the 85 f/1.2L II review, Justin said the following,

"I compare the 85 1.2 to the 200 f/2 at times, that’s because similar framing can be achieved with both lenses, and with both lenses you can dramatically  throw your foreground and background out of focus.  Obvious advantages of the 85 are, of course, size, weight, and cost – all far less.  For portraits, I do like working a bit closer to my subjects, it builds a better level of trust than 200mm sniping from afar can." ...

On the 200mm f/2L review, CR's take is,
"Without a doubt, one of my top 3 favourite lenses in the Canon lineup. It can be a bit cumbersome to use, but the results make it worth it at the end of the day." ...

So, that implies the 85 1.2 shall be another one of the top 3.  Then which lens will take the remaining top spot?  It's no doubt those are all great lenses.  However, what's the relative comparison between the 2 lenses from experts' point of view?  And I'm really curious what's the experts' top 3 lenses, or top 5, top 10?


Not sure if CRguy's got the 85 in his lineup, I just compare the two as lenses that produce similar framing. For example: take a full frame camera and an adult.  Based on the minimum and maximum (infinite) focusing distances of both lenses, you can properly frame someone while still achieving a blurred out background.  Some lenses would hit infinite and everything would be in focus.  The quality and "depth" of blur is also in that "magical" territory.

And unlike CRguy I didn't find the 200 too cumbersome, I was surprised by how much like in weight and size it was compared to my 70-200 ƒ/2.8 L IS II, and I used it in it's place when I had it.  But, yeah, it's heavy and stands out too.

I'm curious about your mention of a "top" list though, my top used lenses aren't necessarily my top favourite lenses - some are better than others for different needs. Like, I use my 24-70 ƒ/2.8 L all the time, almost every day, but it's not my favourite, just super useful - like a hammer, it's a great tool, but not as cool as a power saw ;)

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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #65 on: March 06, 2013, 09:15:59 AM »
I'm curious about your mention of a "top" list though, my top used lenses aren't necessarily my top favourite lenses - some are better than others for different needs. Like, I use my 24-70 ƒ/2.8 L all the time, almost every day, but it's not my favourite, just super useful - like a hammer, it's a great tool, but not as cool as a power saw ;)

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My most-used lenses are the 24-105L and 70-200L IS II, but I'd say my 'favorite' lenses - MP-E 65mm, TS-E 24L II, and 600/4L IS II - are in many cases ones that I use the less often. 
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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #66 on: March 06, 2013, 10:15:13 AM »

...my top used lenses aren't necessarily my top favourite lenses - some are better than others for different needs.

Most used would be 24-105L and 35L....favored children however are 35L and 135L...there is no rule we have to have three and I also can't seem to settle on a third. :)
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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #67 on: March 06, 2013, 10:30:08 AM »
And unlike CRguy I didn't find the 200 too cumbersome, I was surprised by how much like in weight and size it was compared to my 70-200 ƒ/2.8 L IS II, and I used it in it's place when I had it.  But, yeah, it's heavy and stands out too.

I feel the same way.. but the weight is far greater! Lately my 200 has been my "goto" as the weather sucks and I am shooting mostly park and pipe. When I used my 70-200 this weekend for some event work... it felt like a feather. Def stands out... I get all sorts of questions and just tell them, as CR guy said, It's the pinnacle of medium telephoto! I also prefer it in situations that can get a bit rough.. the hood is built like a damn tank.

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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #68 on: March 06, 2013, 11:03:39 AM »
When I used my 70-200 this weekend for some event work... it felt like a feather. Def stands out... I get all sorts of questions and just tell them, as CR guy said, It's the pinnacle of medium telephoto!

"pinnacle of medium telephoto"  ::)

Like a lay person at an event who asks questions of this most obvious zoom knows what telephoto is...much less what a "medium" telephoto is.  ::)

I wish Canon had kept all their 70-200's black and kept the white branding to the true superteles.
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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #69 on: March 06, 2013, 11:05:17 AM »
When I used my 70-200 this weekend for some event work... it felt like a feather. Def stands out... I get all sorts of questions and just tell them, as CR guy said, It's the pinnacle of medium telephoto!

"pinnacle of medium telephoto"  ::)

Like a lay person at an event who asks questions of this most obvious zoom knows what telephoto is...much less what a "medium" telephoto is.  ::)

I wish Canon had kept all their 70-200's black and kept the white branding to the true superteles.

My favourite question to get is "How many times zoom is that?" (something that applies mostly to point and shoots that go from 28mm-300mm... so 10x zoom" and my answer is usually "Two, two and half."  8)

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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #70 on: March 06, 2013, 11:12:58 AM »
When I used my 70-200 this weekend for some event work... it felt like a feather. Def stands out... I get all sorts of questions and just tell them, as CR guy said, It's the pinnacle of medium telephoto!

"pinnacle of medium telephoto"  ::)

Like a lay person at an event who asks questions of this most obvious zoom knows what telephoto is...much less what a "medium" telephoto is.  ::)

I wish Canon had kept all their 70-200's black and kept the white branding to the true superteles.

I guess I should have re-read that before I posted it. I get lots of questions on my 200 f/2 hehe.. not the 70-200.

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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #71 on: March 06, 2013, 01:40:48 PM »
When I used my 70-200 this weekend for some event work... it felt like a feather. Def stands out... I get all sorts of questions and just tell them, as CR guy said, It's the pinnacle of medium telephoto!

"pinnacle of medium telephoto"  ::)

Like a lay person at an event who asks questions of this most obvious zoom knows what telephoto is...much less what a "medium" telephoto is.  ::)

I wish Canon had kept all their 70-200's black and kept the white branding to the true superteles.

My favourite question to get is "How many times zoom is that?" (something that applies mostly to point and shoots that go from 28mm-300mm... so 10x zoom" and my answer is usually "Two, two and half."  8)

I still haven't decided if the proper response to that question when I'm lugging the 400 f/2.8 should be one or zero....

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« Reply #72 on: March 06, 2013, 02:43:50 PM »
My favourite question to get is "How many times zoom is that?" (something that applies mostly to point and shoots that go from 28mm-300mm... so 10x zoom" and my answer is usually "Two, two and half."  8)
I still haven't decided if the proper response to that question when I'm lugging the 400 f/2.8 should be one or zero....

The great white lenses are robust enough to be used as a club, if you think that's a more proper response.  Just sayin'...
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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #73 on: March 06, 2013, 03:34:55 PM »

The great white lenses are robust enough to be used as a club, if you think that's a more proper response.  Just sayin'...

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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
« Reply #74 on: March 06, 2013, 03:39:40 PM »
My favourite question to get is "How many times zoom is that?" (something that applies mostly to point and shoots that go from 28mm-300mm... so 10x zoom" and my answer is usually "Two, two and half."  8)
I still haven't decided if the proper response to that question when I'm lugging the 400 f/2.8 should be one or zero....

The great white lenses are robust enough to be used as a club, if you think that's a more proper response.  Just sayin'...

Maybe so... but it'd be such a pain to re-AFMA them after.

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Re: Review - Canon EF 85 f/1.2L II
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