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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2013, 02:25:20 PM »
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Of slightly more concern are the ~30% of shots taken between 70-105mm, but I suspect the better IQ will make that a worthwhile trade.
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What is the percentage for the range of, let's say 80-105? I doubt you will 10mm much at that focal length, assuming that cropping from a 70mm FOV to 80mm FOV will not degrade IQ much

80-105mm is ~25%, and as expected there's a spike at the end of the zoom range.  Also worth noting is that I shoot quite a lot at the wide end (30% of my shots are at 24mm), and there in particular the 24-70 II is significantly better than the 24-105 from an IQ standpoint.

I think I'm talking myself into selling the 24-105L.  Did I mention that last night, I shot a few pics of the lens for a CL listing?   ;)
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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2013, 02:25:20 PM »

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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2013, 03:18:48 PM »
More high praise for the 24-70 II, with the usual caveat of price.

Question for people who've bought the 24-70 II and had/have the 24-105mm f/4L IS 'kit lens'.  Did you keep the 24-105L, and if so, now that you have the 24-70/2.8 II, do you use the 24-105L any more?

I sold my 24-105 after I got the 24-70 II.  I found it was a little redundant.  I do miss the flexibility of the extra reach but I have the 70-200 for that anyway.  I also sold my 50mm 1.4 when I got the 24-70 as I was only using it (the 50) at 2.8 or smaller anyway.  Also, since then, I've found that I probably could've lived with the 24-105 and 50 instead of upgrading.  I've improved my skills in PP since last year (made the jump to Lightroom) so the difference between the old setup and the new setup is even less but I like not having to switch lenses as often when I need a little more light.

The biggest difference I "feel" is in the sharpness and clarity of my pics.  I have less to do in post which I'm sure adds up to a lot of time saved.  Colors are better.  I'm overall very happy with the new setup.  To me, it was worth the difference of ~$1000 (after selling off the old lenses). 
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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2013, 03:20:29 PM »
Of slightly more concern are the ~30% of shots taken between 70-105mm

I would think that the higher sharpness at 70mm, especially stopped down to f/4, would give you the latitude to crop your photos to at least 85 or 90mm and still match the sharpness of the 24-105. This starts getting pretty close to matching the 24-105's usefulness as a walkaround lens, especially if you're not worried about shutter speed.

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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2013, 03:25:44 PM »
More high praise for the 24-70 II, with the usual caveat of price.

Question for people who've bought the 24-70 II and had/have the 24-105mm f/4L IS 'kit lens'.  Did you keep the 24-105L, and if so, now that you have the 24-70/2.8 II, do you use the 24-105L any more?

I already had the 24-105L, but purchased the 24-70 II back in December. I was thinking I'd keep it and find good use for the IS and extra reach. ... Long story short, the one time I pulled out the 24-105L since then was enough to convince me I really just need to sell it.

No comparison. The 24-70 II is so darn sharp and has great color, I don't miss the extra zoom or IS. I've just been throwing the 135 L in the bag for when I want to get a little closer.

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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2013, 04:45:14 PM »
I think I'm talking myself into selling the 24-105L.  Did I mention that last night, I shot a few pics of the lens for a CL listing?   ;)
Yeah, why wait?  ;D

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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2013, 10:30:32 PM »
More high praise for the 24-70 II, with the usual caveat of price.

Question for people who've bought the 24-70 II and had/have the 24-105mm f/4L IS 'kit lens'.  Did you keep the 24-105L, and if so, now that you have the 24-70/2.8 II, do you use the 24-105L any more?

I have a hunch you won't want the 24-105.

But, just to put a different perspective on it...I've decided that I'm most unlikely to replace my 24-105 with a 24-70 II. The 24-105 is a wonderful lens, even if the 24-70 II is better...and, to be honest, I only ever grab the 24-105 when I haven't a clue what I'll be shooting. And, when I don't have anything already planned out, whether the resulting shots are superlative or merely very good doesn't make a bit of difference to me.

Seems rather silly to me to blow that kind of money on a "whatthehell" kind of lens, at least as I'd use it.

If I did a lot of event photography, if I already used the 24-105 a lot, if any of the other common conditions applied, I'm sure I'd upgrade. But I don't, I don't, and they don't, so I won't.

One other thing I know...if I did upgrade, I wouldn't keep the 24-105. It's probably just me, but I'd rely on a second lens to cover the missing length...either I'd already be doing events with a two-body setup with a 70-200, or I'd just pocket one of the short telephoto primes (with the new 100L being on the short list) and swap at leisure.

So, that's my advice. You use the 24-105 a lot, so it's very likely worth the upgrade. Those of us who don't get a lot of use out of a standard zoom, it's too much money for not enough extra.

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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2013, 11:02:32 PM »
More high praise for the 24-70 II, with the usual caveat of price.

Question for people who've bought the 24-70 II and had/have the 24-105mm f/4L IS 'kit lens'.  Did you keep the 24-105L, and if so, now that you have the 24-70/2.8 II, do you use the 24-105L any more?

I have a hunch you won't want the 24-105.

But, just to put a different perspective on it...I've decided that I'm most unlikely to replace my 24-105 with a 24-70 II. The 24-105 is a wonderful lens, even if the 24-70 II is better...and, to be honest, I only ever grab the 24-105 when I haven't a clue what I'll be shooting. And, when I don't have anything already planned out, whether the resulting shots are superlative or merely very good doesn't make a bit of difference to me.

Seems rather silly to me to blow that kind of money on a "whatthehell" kind of lens, at least as I'd use it.

If I did a lot of event photography, if I already used the 24-105 a lot, if any of the other common conditions applied, I'm sure I'd upgrade. But I don't, I don't, and they don't, so I won't.

One other thing I know...if I did upgrade, I wouldn't keep the 24-105. It's probably just me, but I'd rely on a second lens to cover the missing length...either I'd already be doing events with a two-body setup with a 70-200, or I'd just pocket one of the short telephoto primes (with the new 100L being on the short list) and swap at leisure.

So, that's my advice. You use the 24-105 a lot, so it's very likely worth the upgrade. Those of us who don't get a lot of use out of a standard zoom, it's too much money for not enough extra.

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To put an alternative spin on that, I never used my old 24-70, preferring to use primes. However once I got the 24-70ii, the IQ and handling completely put a new perspective on it. I now use it much more. The 24-70ii was a questionable purchase to be honest - but it has proven to be good investment as I use it regularly and love doing so.

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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2013, 11:33:55 PM »
Sold my 24-105mm right after getting the 24-70mm f/2.8L II.  Also sold a 35mm f/1.4 and 24mm f/3.5L TS-E II.  I probably should sell the 50mm f/1.2L too, but....

Don't get it, if you don't want your primes to collect dust.

More high praise for the 24-70 II, with the usual caveat of price.

Question for people who've bought the 24-70 II and had/have the 24-105mm f/4L IS 'kit lens'.  Did you keep the 24-105L, and if so, now that you have the 24-70/2.8 II, do you use the 24-105L any more?
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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2013, 12:19:47 AM »
More high praise for the 24-70 II, with the usual caveat of price.

Question for people who've bought the 24-70 II and had/have the 24-105mm f/4L IS 'kit lens'.  Did you keep the 24-105L, and if so, now that you have the 24-70/2.8 II, do you use the 24-105L any more?

Hells no I didn't keep it. To be honest I actually got rid of it before I even got the 24-70 II.
24-105L never did it for me, I wanted to love it but blah.

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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2013, 12:23:14 AM »
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Of slightly more concern are the ~30% of shots taken between 70-105mm, but I suspect the better IQ will make that a worthwhile trade.
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What is the percentage for the range of, let's say 80-105? I doubt you will 10mm much at that focal length, assuming that cropping from a 70mm FOV to 80mm FOV will not degrade IQ much

80-105mm is ~25%, and as expected there's a spike at the end of the zoom range.  Also worth noting is that I shoot quite a lot at the wide end (30% of my shots are at 24mm), and there in particular the 24-70 II is significantly better than the 24-105 from an IQ standpoint.

I think I'm talking myself into selling the 24-105L.  Did I mention that last night, I shot a few pics of the lens for a CL listing?   ;)

Doesn;t your 70-200 do 80-105mm miles better than the 24-105 anyway?

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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2013, 07:24:16 AM »
The graphs on dpreview in comparison mode show very few differences between the Canon 24-70/2.8 II and the Tamron 24-70/2.8 VC. In some places the Tamron has less vignetting, in others more. Resolution is almost a wash once you stop down but CA is still heavier in the Canon lens. When it comes to distortion, the Tamron is clearly worse at the wide end but after that, both settle down very nicely.

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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2013, 09:15:56 AM »
Sold my 24-105mm right after getting the 24-70mm f/2.8L II.  Also sold a 35mm f/1.4 and 24mm f/3.5L TS-E II.  I probably should sell the 50mm f/1.2L too, but....

Don't get it, if you don't want your primes to collect dust.

I was unaware that the 24-70 has movements. Because only a lens with movements could be a reasonable substitute for the TS-E. Or, if the 24-70 really is a reasonable substitute for the TS-E for you, then the TS-E was a waste for you in the first place.

Similarly, the only reason to get the 50 L over the 50 f/1.4 is to shoot it wide open. If you're considering the 24-70 as a substitute, again, there wasn't any point in getting the 50 L to begin with.

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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2013, 10:13:42 AM »
I have no problem selling my 50L & 16-35 II, but NOT 24-70 f2.8 II & 70-200 f2.8 IS II
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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2013, 07:35:50 AM »
I just have this feeling that after getting the 24-70 II, I really won't use the 24-105L at all...and if that's going to be the case, why not get the new zoom that much sooner?

I'm sat here at the moment just thinking about the 24-70mm 2.8 II - I've still to sell my 10-22mm which was replaced by the 16-35mm on the 6D, I'm not using the 70-300mm since I bought the 135mm - cropping into a shot taken on the 135mm really is better than anything taken on the 70-300mm (non L) and then pondering about would I really use my 50mm 1.4mm if I got the 24-70 ?  Probably less, if at all... 

Need to stop looking at these threads, ou guys are costing me serious money ;-)
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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2013, 08:37:20 AM »
I just have this feeling that after getting the 24-70 II, I really won't use the 24-105L at all...and if that's going to be the case, why not get the new zoom that much sooner?

I'm sat here at the moment just thinking about the 24-70mm 2.8 II - I've still to sell my 10-22mm which was replaced by the 16-35mm on the 6D, I'm not using the 70-300mm since I bought the 135mm - cropping into a shot taken on the 135mm really is better than anything taken on the 70-300mm (non L) and then pondering about would I really use my 50mm 1.4mm if I got the 24-70 ?  Probably less, if at all... 

Need to stop looking at these threads, ou guys are costing me serious money ;-)

an uncontrollable desire is a terrible thing  ;)

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my next purchase when money allows (end of the year probably) will be either the 24-70 2.8L II or the 35 1.4L. i seriously can't decide which to go for. i love primes but a standard zoom is missing from my kit...what to do what to do?  :-\ then of course there's the thought in the back of my mind that possibly a replacement will happen soonish for the 35L. but i guess you can't go on thinking like that...
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Re: DPReview: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Review
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