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DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« on: March 12, 2013, 12:22:12 AM »
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Publications/DxOMark-Reviews/Leica-M9-M9-P-and-M-E-Type-220-Ahead-of-the-new-Leica-M-we-round-up-the-DxOMark-Scores-of-its-predecessors/Conclusion

This actually plays well for Leica, that just started shipping the new Leica M that comes with a CMOS sensor.
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DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« on: March 12, 2013, 12:22:12 AM »

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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2013, 12:59:07 AM »
now where did i put that bag of salt...  ;)
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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2013, 08:34:45 AM »
now where did i put that bag of salt...  ;)

+100 c;

I've never even cared for DxO marks tbh, and dont get why anyone does, photographys an art, not a game of top trumps >.>

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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2013, 01:01:23 PM »
now where did i put that bag of salt...  ;)

+100 c;

I've never even cared for DxO marks tbh, and dont get why anyone does, photographys an art, not a game of top trumps >.>

I can agree with you on that, but on the other hand, I'm glad such scientific studies exists. If it were not for them, who would scrutinize the camera makers and raise flags when their products don't match the hype (or the price for that matter)? Otherwise it's all subjective, relative, like art as you said. They could release a POS and brandish it like the best thing ever and all we can do is fight and debate in forums based on our feelings.

This is how we put these camera makers in line.
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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2013, 02:02:47 PM »
now where did i put that bag of salt...  ;)

+100 c;

I've never even cared for DxO marks tbh, and dont get why anyone does, photographys an art, not a game of top trumps >.>

I might be wrong here, but isn´t the DxO marks´s test results only a "side effect" from the making of their RAW - converter, Capture One? Studying the behavior of lenses and cameras/sensors they can implement corrections in the raw converter and so on. This study of lenses and sensors also gives a score, the DxO mark score we all argue about.

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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2013, 02:52:15 PM »
I've never even cared for DxO marks tbh, and dont get why anyone does, photographys an art, not a game of top trumps
You are certainly free to treat photography as an art-form only. Why are you then spending time on a forum about gear?

I see photography as a marriage between art and science. You can't have one without the other.

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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2013, 03:01:19 PM »
I've never even cared for DxO marks tbh, and dont get why anyone does, photographys an art, not a game of top trumps
You are certainly free to treat photography as an art-form only. Why are you then spending time on a forum about gear?

I see photography as a marriage between art and science. You can't have one without the other.

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Even Ansel Adams spent tons of time in the old-fashioned  camera lab working on how to improve tech and get the most out of what he had.
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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2013, 03:10:12 PM »
I've never even cared for DxO marks tbh, and dont get why anyone does, photographys an art, not a game of top trumps
You are certainly free to treat photography as an art-form only. Why are you then spending time on a forum about gear?

I see photography as a marriage between art and science. You can't have one without the other.

-h

Even Ansel Adams spent tons of time in the old-fashioned  camera lab working on how to improve tech and get the most out of what he had.
And not the best out of what someone else had or he dreamed about ;)
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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2013, 04:06:59 PM »
DxOh-No!!!!!!! 
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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2013, 05:44:34 PM »
I've never even cared for DxO marks tbh, and dont get why anyone does, photographys an art, not a game of top trumps
You are certainly free to treat photography as an art-form only. Why are you then spending time on a forum about gear?

I see photography as a marriage between art and science. You can't have one without the other.

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hey maybe he's still shooting artfull glass plates and his 79 posts so far in this Canon gear forum were about them; ah no wait, they're not, they're about gear.

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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2013, 01:57:32 AM »
I've never even cared for DxO marks tbh, and dont get why anyone does, photographys an art, not a game of top trumps
You are certainly free to treat photography as an art-form only. Why are you then spending time on a forum about gear?

I see photography as a marriage between art and science. You can't have one without the other.

-h

Even Ansel Adams spent tons of time in the old-fashioned  camera lab working on how to improve tech and get the most out of what he had.

Ansel Adams was a total gear head if he was around now he would be on these forums with a higher post count than neuro :D
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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2013, 04:58:54 AM »
Another compelling reason not to switch to Leica.

But seriously...

Assuming their image quality actually is worse, it just means Leica buyers are probably putting more emphasis on portability, precision, quality workmanship and exclusivity. I don't think anything has changed here in the last 100 years.  And despite a low ranking, you'd be a brave person to say that Leica's produce inferior results.  Therefore, what's the use of the ranking anyway?  Are they really meaningful in any useful way? 

Interestingly, the low marks didn't seem to have affected the brand's prestige or sales.  The same might be said of Canon's marks vs Nikon. It would seem most people view DxO Mark as little more than a scientific curiosity.  Not something you'd base a serious purchasing decision on.
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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2013, 05:23:13 AM »
Good cameras do not become bad bcoz DxO "trashes" them ... I'm not challenging or disproving (nor am I capable of) what DxO claims, but I've never bought a camera or lens based on what DoX says. Their tests/claims are irrelevant to me.
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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2013, 05:23:13 AM »

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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2013, 05:49:16 AM »
Good cameras do not become bad bcoz DxO "trashes" them ...
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I'm not challenging or disproving (nor am I capable of) what DxO claims, but I've never bought a camera or lens based on what DoX says. Their tests/claims are irrelevant to me.
How can you be so certain?
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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2013, 06:18:38 AM »
Hi,
   IMHO, if DxOMark use the RAW file produce by the camera to perform the calculation, the result is only valid for camera of the same brand.

   Have a nice day.
 

   

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Re: DxOMark trashes the Leica M9 sensor
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2013, 06:18:38 AM »