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1d X "silent" mode.
« on: March 12, 2013, 08:32:46 AM »
Hi guys!

Just a quick question, is it in anyway thinkable that the 1d X could have a firmware to add the silent mode of the 5d3?

The mode implemented in the 1d X really is a joke....
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1d X "silent" mode.
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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2013, 09:03:36 AM »
To be honest I have no idea, but my gut tells me no. I would have thought it was something they would have done on release, and the fact that the 1D X already drops to 3 fps when in "silent" mode tells me that they tried.

Hopefully someone will come along with reasons why they can, but I am not holding my breath.

The sound of the 1D X is very unique, a lot different to that of the 5D Mark III and it sounds mechanically different which I do not reckon they could change through firmware.

Nice idea though.   :)
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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2013, 09:15:05 AM »
Agreed - the shutter needed to be robust to move at 12 fps and last 400K cycles, I suspect they made it as quiet as they could...
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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2013, 09:20:21 AM »
Yeah, I wasn't all that hopeful tbh, lol. I thought maybe if the shutter went slower it could be done in firmware but..

A shame though as I really liked the abillity to shoot bursts in silentmode on the 5d and have it that seriously quiet. I can in some situations use LV to avoid the mirror, but it's only an ok workaround.

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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2013, 10:27:50 AM »
Hi guys!

Just a quick question, is it in anyway thinkable that the 1d X could have a firmware to add the silent mode of the 5d3?

The mode implemented in the 1d X really is a joke....

There is no silent mode on the 1DX...but i would be nice if Canon made a firmware with it in as I use the 5D3 for my ceremony shots.

It's certainly possible, just as how it was possibly to increase the Raw capture rate of the 7D and do whatever they are doing with video on the 5D3.

The features are always there (within reason), they just need to be unlocked.

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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2013, 11:44:42 AM »
It seems to me that this is a hardware issue. I agree with Neuro...it wasn't a priority given the target customer for the 1Dx.
If it could be done, I would certainly appreciate it. I shoot production photos for live theater...mainly musicals. When I do shoot non musicals or have to shoot within the audience, a quieter shutter would help. As I recall, the silent mode on the 1DIV was less noisy.

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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2013, 11:47:36 AM »
Agreed - the shutter needed to be robust to move at 12 fps and last 400K cycles, I suspect they made it as quiet as they could...

I wouldn't think the shutter drove the design as much as the mirror mechanism. Dual curtain shutters have long been capable of opening and closing over the frame in 1/8000 sec (1/10000 on some mid format models, which is impressive considering the increased coverage).
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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2013, 11:51:33 AM »
Agreed - the shutter needed to be robust to move at 12 fps and last 400K cycles, I suspect they made it as quiet as they could...

I wouldn't think the shutter drove the design as much as the mirror mechanism. Shutters have been capable of opening and closing over the frame at 1/8000 sec.
You're right, of course.  I meant mirror (which also has to flip at 12 fps).  Although the shutter makes a slight contribution to the noise, most of it comes from the mirror.
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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2013, 11:54:01 AM »
Agreed - the shutter needed to be robust to move at 12 fps and last 400K cycles, I suspect they made it as quiet as they could...

I wouldn't think the shutter drove the design as much as the mirror mechanism. Shutters have been capable of opening and closing over the frame at 1/8000 sec.
You're right, of course.  I meant mirror (which also has to flip at 12 fps).

Yep, it's a heavy inertial component. I've never had one fail (always tend to replace cameras before about 70,000 actuations). I wonder whether the drive motor goes or whether parts actually break.
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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2013, 11:59:30 AM »
Agreed - the shutter needed to be robust to move at 12 fps and last 400K cycles, I suspect they made it as quiet as they could...

I wouldn't think the shutter drove the design as much as the mirror mechanism. Shutters have been capable of opening and closing over the frame at 1/8000 sec.
You're right, of course.  I meant mirror (which also has to flip at 12 fps).  Although the shutter makes a slight contribution to the noise, most of it comes from the mirror.
So in theory, mirror locked up, live view shooting could be a kind of silent mode?

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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2013, 12:09:02 PM »
Agreed - the shutter needed to be robust to move at 12 fps and last 400K cycles, I suspect they made it as quiet as they could...

I wouldn't think the shutter drove the design as much as the mirror mechanism. Shutters have been capable of opening and closing over the frame at 1/8000 sec.
You're right, of course.  I meant mirror (which also has to flip at 12 fps).  Although the shutter makes a slight contribution to the noise, most of it comes from the mirror.
So in theory, mirror locked up, live view shooting could be a kind of silent mode?

Sure, if you're willing to forgo the bulk of the AF functionality.
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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2013, 12:19:02 PM »
Agreed - the shutter needed to be robust to move at 12 fps and last 400K cycles, I suspect they made it as quiet as they could...

I wouldn't think the shutter drove the design as much as the mirror mechanism. Shutters have been capable of opening and closing over the frame at 1/8000 sec.
You're right, of course.  I meant mirror (which also has to flip at 12 fps).  Although the shutter makes a slight contribution to the noise, most of it comes from the mirror.
So in theory, mirror locked up, live view shooting could be a kind of silent mode?

Sure, if you're willing to forgo the bulk of the AF functionality.
Yes, I guess Canon wanted the 1DX to announce itself so you either want stealth or AF...
But then what do I know, I don't have one :)

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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2013, 12:20:37 PM »
So in theory, mirror locked up, live view shooting could be a kind of silent mode?

Yes, Live View is quieter than regular shooting.  It also uses an electronic first curtain shutter and that eliminates another  source of vibration - that makes Live View ideal for tripod-mounted shooting of static subjects. 
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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2013, 12:23:00 PM »
So in theory, mirror locked up, live view shooting could be a kind of silent mode?

Yes, Live View is quieter than regular shooting.  It also uses an electronic first curtain shutter and that eliminates another  source of vibration - that makes Live View ideal for tripod-mounted shooting of static subjects.

Is this true (electronic first curtain) for other camera models as well (E.g. 5d3), or just the 1dx?
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Re: 1d X "silent" mode.
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2013, 12:25:03 PM »
Hi guys!

Just a quick question, is it in anyway thinkable that the 1d X could have a firmware to add the silent mode of the 5d3?

The mode implemented in the 1d X really is a joke....

There is no silent mode on the 1DX...

It works if you just hold the button down after the shot and walk away :oP
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