Canon EOS 100D Detailed Specs Appear

[Sella174]

Canon already has several prime lenses without IS that work both on FF & Crop and are quite reasonably priced.

It's not just the IS, but the whole benefit of an APS-C size sensor is not realised. And what's the use of a small EOS 100D camera if we are forced to using larger-than-necessary FF primes?

Without malicious intentions, but do please name those primes that are "reasonably priced" and not also more than fifteen years old. Yes, the EF 40mm f/2.8 STM is one ... and that's it.

[IronChef]

The 100D still bigger than the OMD. Especially with when you attach a big lens on it.
http://j.mp/Yd9RVG


I don't see the 100d succeeding. DSLR's have their strengths and Canon should focus on that. Things like ergonomics, functionality and autofocus. The 100D isn't good at these things and isn't that compact either. What's the point?

[Hobby Shooter]

The 100D still bigger than the OMD. Especially with when you attach a big lens on it.
http://j.mp/Yd9RVG


I don't see the 100d succeeding. DSLR's have their strengths and Canon should focus on that. Things like ergonomics, functionality and autofocus. The 100D isn't good at these things and isn't that compact either. What's the point?

How can you say that? It's small but it can still be very usable for people with small hands. When it comes to functionality, what do you mean? I think creative modes etc will be very functional for its' target market. Autofocus- compared to what?

[Rienzphotoz]

Canon already has several prime lenses without IS that work both on FF & Crop and are quite reasonably priced.

It's not just the IS, but the whole benefit of an APS-C size sensor is not realised. And what's the use of a small EOS 100D camera if we are forced to using larger-than-necessary FF primes?

Without malicious intentions, but do please name those primes that are "reasonably priced" and not also more than fifteen years old. Yes, the EF 40mm f/2.8 STM is one ... and that's it.

I mean no disrespect to you or your gear but looking at your gear list in your signature, I see you use what most people consider as an "old" camera and lens set up ... so are you suggesting that the gear that you are currently using is limiting your creative abilities? are they not good enough for you? Are you suggesting that 15+ year old lenses are not able provide enough resolving power for your EOS 30D? ... going by our gear list, you do not have any fast primes other than f/2.8 ... the 50mm f/1.8 (regardless of its age) is a fantastic lens for just $94, by the way fast prime are not just about "low light performance" (step down the f/stop on any of the f/1.4 or 1.8 lenses and see what they can do) ... there are many great prime lenses that are well below $500, some of which I have already listed in my earlier post e.g. 28 f/1.8, 50 f/1.4, 85 f/1.8 etc, and there are also several more lenses which I did not list, all of them can easily out resolve what your 30D is capable of. First you were complaining about "without IS" lenses, when I tell there are many primes without IS you start complaining that they are 15+ years old, but those 15+ year old lenses can make AWESOME images with your 30D. You say: Canon is "making me pay for optical glass I do not need and for functionality I do not need" ... but no one can "make you pay" anything, if you are not happy or satisfied with 15+ year old Canon lenses and that your EOS 30D only needs the latest lens, start by purchasing the 40 f/2.8 or you can switch to Nikon, Sony or whoever it is that is giving what you want. Canon markets to a huge customer base who want/like Image Stabilization ... now we can all scoff at that customer base and say they are hobbyists, beginners or whatever but that is the customer base which brings in big the money for Canon ... one has to remember that Canon is a profit making company that has a responsibility to its shareholders ... just because a few customers want cheap primes without IS for their APS-C cameras it is not gonna happen .... like it or lump it Image Stabilization is here to stay and it is very naive to think that those latest lenses are going to cost similar to 15+ year old lenses.

[IronChef]

The 100D still bigger than the OMD. Especially with when you attach a big lens on it.
http://j.mp/Yd9RVG


I don't see the 100d succeeding. DSLR's have their strengths and Canon should focus on that. Things like ergonomics, functionality and autofocus. The 100D isn't good at these things and isn't that compact either. What's the point?

How can you say that? It's small but it can still be very usable for people with small hands. When it comes to functionality, what do you mean? I think creative modes etc will be very functional for its' target market. Autofocus- compared to what?

I'm sure it's useable for people with small hands, but generally it's not as ergonomic as a bigger DSLR. The 700D has better specs and is just $100 more. The 100D it isn't that more compact.  The problem is the thickness http://j.mp/13hzTJb. Thick items will bulge your bag much more than thin and wide items, like books or magazines. Also, the lenses are still big.

[Rienzphotoz]

The 100D still bigger than the OMD. Especially with when you attach a big lens on it.
http://j.mp/Yd9RVG

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I don't see the 100d succeeding. DSLR's have their strengths and Canon should focus on that. Things like ergonomics, functionality and autofocus. The 100D isn't good at these things and isn't that compact either. What's the point?

Olympus OM-D E-M5 is a Micro Four Thirds mirror less camera whereas Canon 100D is an APS-C sensor DSLR camera obviously there is going to be a difference in size 

[Sella174]

I mean no disrespect to you or your gear but looking at your gear list in your signature, I see you use what most people consider as an "old" camera and lens set up ... so are you suggesting that the gear that you are currently using is limiting your creative abilities? are they not good enough for you? Are you suggesting that 15+ year old lenses are not able provide enough resolving power for your EOS 30D? ...

The photographic gear that I have is gear that works for me. In no way am I dissatisfied with the 30D and the three lenses I own. My point is that every year Canon brings out new cameras and lenses; and every year I don't "upgrade" my gear because none of the new offerings really interest me.

The EF 24mm f/2.8 is a good lens, but ... (1) my c.1971 Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:3.5/24 is better in all departments; and (2) the old micro-motor AF without real-time manual focus is really old technology. So why shouldn't I expect an updated version, with USM, after 24 years in production? (I may just mention that the 24mm is mostly used at f/11.)

I did buy the EF 40mm f/2.8 STM, but sold it again - didn't like the colours. I also sold my EF 50mm f/1.4 USM when I dumped my Canon film gear - a 50mm works on FF, but not CF ... for me that is.

... but no one can "make you pay" anything ...

Canon is. Take the EOS 6D and the (discontinued) EOS 5D Mk.II ... image that FF sensor is now a CF sensor (same MP, etc., just CF instead of FF) and what do you get ... a "Rebel" in disguise.

[Rienzphotoz]

I mean no disrespect to you or your gear but looking at your gear list in your signature, I see you use what most people consider as an "old" camera and lens set up ... so are you suggesting that the gear that you are currently using is limiting your creative abilities? are they not good enough for you? Are you suggesting that 15+ year old lenses are not able provide enough resolving power for your EOS 30D? ...

The photographic gear that I have is gear that works for me. In no way am I dissatisfied with the 30D and the three lenses I own. My point is that every year Canon brings out new cameras and lenses; and every year I don't "upgrade" my gear because none of the new offerings really interest me.

The EF 24mm f/2.8 is a good lens, but ... (1) my c.1971 Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:3.5/24 is better in all departments; and (2) the old micro-motor AF without real-time manual focus is really old technology. So why shouldn't I expect an updated version, with USM, after 24 years in production? (I may just mention that the 24mm is mostly used at f/11.)

I did buy the EF 40mm f/2.8 STM, but sold it again - didn't like the colours. I also sold my EF 50mm f/1.4 USM when I dumped my Canon film gear - a 50mm works on FF, but not CF ... for me that is.

... but no one can "make you pay" anything ...

Canon is. Take the EOS 6D and the (discontinued) EOS 5D Mk.II ... image that FF sensor is now a CF sensor (same MP, etc., just CF instead of FF) and what do you get ... a "Rebel" in disguise.

Your post is full of contradictions, you say you are in "noway dissatisfied with the 30D and the three lenses" you own and that you "don't upgrade every year" not to mention that you use a camera which was made 8 years ago (no disrespect intended), you also do not want to buy the new IS lenses,  yet you say: "why shouldn't I expect an updated version" ... profit making companies do not cater to customers like you who upgrade once in almost a decade ... the world has changed brother, wake up and smell the coffee, majority of the customers now want IS lenses and they are willing to pay the money for it. Sorry, I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful to you or your gear, (you can probably make better images with your "older" gear than I can with my 5D MK III and the relatively newer lenses), but those are the facts.

[Sella174]

... profit making companies do not cater to customers like you who upgrade once in almost a decade ...

Canon took nearly 24 years before updating the 24mm f/2.8 and the 35mm f/2 lenses. It kind of stands to reason that those of us who use(d) those lenses didn't upgrade because we had nothing to upgrade to ... what we already own(ed) was it.

My point with the fifteen years is that, apart from the EF 40mm f/2.8 STM and, oh, the EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro, Canon has basically placed us users of non-L primes on Neptune with regards to our important to their business model. That's their decision. They know best.

The coffee smells great ... but just how well are those new IS primes selling?

[Rienzphotoz]

The coffee smells great

Ha ha ha ... good one.

but just how well are those new IS primes selling?

That's a good question, I can't speak for the rest of the world but 5 of my colleagues & friends bought the 24 IS & 28 IS (2 bought the 24 and 3 bought the 28), had a chance to check out the 28 IS, it is amazingly sharp ... personally I wanted to buy either the 24 IS or 28 IS, but I'm holding off till a sale comes along (maybe Christmas time?) ... but the price of 28 IS did come down to $579, but I'm a bit greedy waiting till it goes down to at least $500

[bholliman]

While the SL1/100D is not a camera that interest me, I think it will sell pretty well for point and shoot owners looking to move up to a DLSR. 

My wife currently uses a P&S and hates to use my 6D or 7D because they are so large and heavy (especially with the 70-200 2.8 II attached).  She said the SL1 is something something she would consider.

[Hobby Shooter]

The 100D still bigger than the OMD. Especially with when you attach a big lens on it.
http://j.mp/Yd9RVG


I don't see the 100d succeeding. DSLR's have their strengths and Canon should focus on that. Things like ergonomics, functionality and autofocus. The 100D isn't good at these things and isn't that compact either. What's the point?
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How can you say that? It's small but it can still be very usable for people with small hands. When it comes to functionality, what do you mean? I think creative modes etc will be very functional for its' target market. Autofocus- compared to what?

I'm sure it's useable for people with small hands, but generally it's not as ergonomic as a bigger DSLR. The 700D has better specs and is just $100 more. The 100D it isn't that more compact.  The problem is the thickness http://j.mp/13hzTJb. Thick items will bulge your bag much more than thin and wide items, like books or magazines. Also, the lenses are still big.

 Yes, it's not pocketable, but I still think it's a cool product and I'm sure it will sell alot. BUT still I think it's too expensive.

[Sella174]

... but I'm a bit greedy waiting till it goes down to at least $500

I'll most probably end up buying the 24mm IS version ... because in my weird reasoning it will put off having to buy new cameras by another few years ... although the new EOS 100D has definitely application for me ...

I am still, however, of the opinion that the real success of the EOS 100D will hinge on whether Canon gets their act together with two or three small EF-S primes ... 15mm & 22mm ... plus a genuine APS-C fish-eye lens.

Apples & oranges, but ... http://j.mp/ZiPnUU

[Rienzphotoz]

... but I'm a bit greedy waiting till it goes down to at least $500

two or three small EF-S primes ... 15mm & 22mm ... plus a genuine APS-C fish-eye lens.

I'm with you on that ... if they are similar sized like the shorty forty, it'd be even more awesome.

[CanNotYet]

Sorry if this sounds smug or anything, but on the new IS prime, couldn't you just turn it off if you do not want it? Cheaper for Canon to manufacture just one lens with two functions.

Aside from that, I do agree that Canon (or 3rd party) could take a part of the market with small, light, inexpensive primes. (like 40/2.8 and 50/1. They could skimp on features (micromotor AF etc.) to achieve it. I would buy them.