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35L or 50L?
« on: March 18, 2013, 04:12:43 PM »
In the very near future I may be buying a number of things, namely a 5Dmk3, 16-35L, 100L and 135L, along with a few other accessories. I already own a 60D, 17-85 and 85 1.8.

I'm also considering whether to get a wide/normal prime with all that, namely the 35L or the 50L, though this is where I can't make up my mind. I'd like your input and opinions and experiences on said lenses and which you think I should get! I'm set on the other lenses, so I'm not needing any advice on those - they're just for reference so you know what else it'll be amongst.

Below are my thoughts, both pros and cons on each lens, along with a few other points of consideration.

35L
Pros
  • I prefer a mid-wide walkabout lens to 50mm
  • Slightly cheaper than the 50
  • Led to believe it has slightly better IQ than the 50?
  • Great build quality, metally and solid.
Cons
  • Not weather sealed
  • Already have the 35 length with the 16-35

50L
Pros
  • A third of a stop faster
  • Weather sealed
  • Doubles as a good portrait length on my second (crop) body
  • Fills a gap in the focal range not yet covered
Cons
  • Infamous focus niggles
  • Could just get the 50 1.4?

I have both at work and have tried them both out a fair bit and like them both very much, however I'm still torn between the two. For some reason I feel slightly drawn to the 35 over the 50, but only by a hairs width. If the 35 had weather sealing, I'd probably go with it, as I always seem to find myself in the rain and I'd like to know that I don't need to worry.

Other things to consider are I'd really like to do some astrophotography with one of them - one of the reasons I'm not going with the 24 1.4 as it has bad coma wide open - how do these lenses perform for star shooting? Coma? Overall sharpness? Does the extra third-stop of light make much difference? Would the wider FOV be more appropriate?

I'd really only be able to afford one of them, however I may be able to stretch to get the 35 and the 50 1.4 instead? I know it's a great lens though the main drawback for me over the 1.2 is the weather sealing - more important than a wider aperture. Also should I think about the Sigma 35 1.4 perhaps?

Please leave your thoughts and opinions - 35L, 50L or alternatives?
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Re: 35L or 50L?
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2013, 04:24:37 PM »
Why not the sigma 35mm? Its by most accounts better and cheaper than the canon.

As for the build quality, I actually thought the 35L was pretty horrible in this respect.  The outside is all plastic and feels kinda cheap imo.

For me i prefer the 35mm length as a walkaround and after buying the sigma 35mm my 50/1.4 just sat in my closet until i ended up selling it.

Also note that IQ of the 50/1.4 is as good if not better than the 50/1.2 so unless you shoot at 1.2 all the time or need the weather sealing i dont think i would bother.
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Re: 35L or 50L?
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2013, 04:28:56 PM »
The 50L is the sharpest 50mm canon makes in the center from F1.2-2.8. If this fits your usage, I'd get one.

I wouldn't buy a 35L, Get the Sigma 1.4.

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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2013, 04:29:58 PM »
Why not the sigma 35mm? Its by most accounts better and cheaper than the canon.

How is the auto-focus of this lens?
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2013, 04:41:34 PM »
A few random thoughts:

35mm on the 16-35II does not compare to the 35L prime IQ. It is night and day.

The 50L owners do have an advantage over the 35mm owners who choose it as their standard... 50L stradles much of the portrait range while 35L leans heavily towards the wider end of the portrait focal length spectrum.

In real terms, a 50L person can walk a little farther or closer and hit something similar to a 35mm or 85mm FOV (I am not saying identical) that still will look "normal".

This luxury simply doesn't exist for the 35mm owner. He/she has to rely on a 85mm to hit the medium tele range of the protrait spectrum because getting too close simply is not flattering on a 35mm WA. No amount of zooming with feet will help.

Granted, same can be argued for small groups and indoor shots where 35L gives you an edge in cramped spaces.

I say, get one L and the other as a good quality non-L. Perhaps, 50L and 35 f/2 IS or the Sigma 35 combo....or the 35L and 50 f/1.4.  Have your cake and eat it too.
 
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Re: 35L or 50L?
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2013, 05:13:21 PM »
i was going to say something that was said above.
the 35 on the 16-35 and the 35l are TOTALLY different for me on the 16-35 i rarely go into 35 i keep it between 16-28 the 35 is a more versatile lens (for me) i own both and i use the 50 only when i have to or am shooting 1 specific subject.

where as with the 35 i would shoot almost everything EXCEPT a close portrait with it.

anyway i say go 35 . and that sigma 35 sounds amazing! but for what ever reason i stick to canon lenses for my cameras

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2013, 05:17:32 PM »
The focus issues with the 50L have been fixed in newer revisions as I was told... I got a lens from 2012 and I have no focus shift issues at all, tried various apertures and they all fit.
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2013, 05:17:32 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2013, 06:11:08 PM »
I have a Sigma 50mm f/1.4  I think the sharpness is up there with or past the Canon 50L ..and the bokeh is much more like the 50mmL...not as creamy as the 50mmL (1.4vs1.2)..but the bokeh on the Sigma is way better (IMHO), than the Canon f/1.4.....and right now you can pick one up for about $450. (I am usually a Canon L glass guy or Zeiss...but this lens is great!).
I also agree with everyone else above who says buy the Sigma 35mm f/1.4. At the price and the quality I plan on owning one of these, too. Now these are the only two Sigma lenses I would consider owning out of any thing that they manufacture. I am hoping that since this new 35mm is soooooooooo good and reasonably priced AND it is the beginning of a new line of lenses, the Art Line....perhaps Sigma will be producing more Art Line lenses that I will want to own...we will have to wait and see. I have read that the company has made a lot of changes and that it is starting to show in their newer products. Sounds good to me. Canon prices are hitting the stratosphere and I am a thinking man...not a Canon fanboy!!!! Sigma...bring it on!  LOL!
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Re: 35L or 50L?
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2013, 06:15:11 PM »
Why not the sigma 35mm? Its by most accounts better and cheaper than the canon.

How is the auto-focus of this lens?

I can only speak for the copy i got but the AF is very good. I did af accuracy tests at min focus and 10 feet and it was spot on with 0 AFMA. Infinity focus seems accurate as far as i can tell as well.  Also there doesnt seem to be any noticeable focus shifts with stopping down.

For real world usage it doesnt seem any less accurate than the 35L i had.

As far as speed is concerned, again, it is very similar to the 35L.  When you focus it on a blank wall the speed from MFD to inifinity focus and back to MFD is definitely slower than the 35L but in real world use i honestly havent noticed any difference.
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2013, 06:41:11 PM »
The new Sigma 35mm 1.4 is a complete new design and doesn't suffer from the focus issues like the 50/1.4 and 85/1.4.
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2013, 07:20:18 PM »
Sigma 35mm...  I hope they can also produce a 21mm or 20mm that's as good and as cheap.

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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2013, 07:24:02 PM »
A few random thoughts:

35mm on the 16-35II does not compare to the 35L prime IQ. It is night and day.

The 50L owners do have an advantage over the 35mm owners who choose it as their standard... 50L stradles much of the portrait range while 35L leans heavily towards the wider end of the portrait focal length spectrum.

In real terms, a 50L person can walk a little farther or closer and hit something similar to a 35mm or 85mm FOV (I am not saying identical) that still will look "normal".

This luxury simply doesn't exist for the 35mm owner. He/she has to rely on a 85mm to hit the medium tele range of the protrait spectrum because getting too close simply is not flattering on a 35mm WA. No amount of zooming with feet will help.

Granted, same can be argued for small groups and indoor shots where 35L gives you an edge in cramped spaces.

I say, get one L and the other as a good quality non-L. Perhaps, 50L and 35 f/2 IS or the Sigma 35 combo....or the 35L and 50 f/1.4.  Have your cake and eat it too.
 
agree 100% if you go 35 you will want an 85 too

which usually means a second body for event
currently the 35mm and 85mm options that are available are far better than 50mm options

possibly other than the new zeiss but thats MF only
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2013, 08:03:54 PM »
The Canon 50L, though a superlative lens, is probably the worst value lens in Canon's lineup. It's only very, very marginally faster than the 50 f/1.4, and the 50 f/1.4 is its superior or equal or almost equal in every way except faster than f/1.4. I'd only recommend it for somebody for whom $1500 isn't a significant amount of money. That is, if you're wealthy enough that dropping $1500 doesn't get your attention, or if you're charging your clients $1500 a pop, or that sort of thing, sure go for it. Otherwise, save your money.

The 35L is a reasonable value for the money...but I'd probably go with the Sigma right now if I was buying, even if money was no object. That the Sigma is so much cheaper kinda makes it a no-brainer.

You should be able to buy both the 50 f/1.4 and the Sigma for less total than you'd spend on either L lens alone. And that's my recommendation: Sigma 35 f/1.4 + Canon 50 f/1.4.

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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2013, 08:26:32 PM »
I never liked the 50 f1.2 the two times I tried it....
I tried to accept the vignetting, soft edges and chromatics... never got to the focus quirks...
but I personally don't care for 50mm over 35mm.... so it was uphill from the start

my 35L was pretty good @ f1.4.....and real good @ f2...
my sigma is as good as 35L @ f2....... but  @ f1.4..  and very little fringing/CA...
plus...perfect for a crop camera

However, I am SURE the 35L focused a just little bit faster and maybe more accurately...
I didn't try those two 35s together ....  and hardly ever for action shots

I did try the Sigma in a foot race yesterday...and DID notice I (I do mean ME) missed the focus a few times... so is it me, or my 5D3 settings or the Sigma...I dont know... I don't face those 'sports' situations that much ...so I am not qualified to judge.......this was a perfect situation for the 24-70mm f2.8 II  -  IMO
I'm almost certain mis-focuses were a combo of my technique(setting) AND the how the Sigma-5D3 work together

But the Sigma is - for sure - sharper than the 35L....maybe a stop ahead
I say get the Sigma 35 f1.4
I have been using it in low light situations mostly.....wonderful

you can almost get the sigma AND the 50mm NON-L for the 35L price....as already mentioned
I know I will get the 35L II when it arrives - if sharper and cleaner than the Sigma.....someday


a few race shots @ f2 from the Sigma (servo mode)



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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2013, 08:32:00 PM »
also I am pretty sure the Sigma has lower chromatics than the 35L and the bokeh is about the same ....
that depends on the background distance ... and that may differ with different distances for each lens...
hard to test that I think

anyway
I like my Sigma wide open for these sort of shots
these were 1/50 sec so maybe some motion blur from the subject..
50L and 35L do not have this low chromatics.. in my experience...

and I ALSO believe Canon had to pull their almost released 35L II because Sigma was so good...
I will get the Canon 35L II if it is better...
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