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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #105 on: March 20, 2013, 12:55:33 PM »
I don't consider that a downside, as using EF lenses with an adapter negates the small form factor anyway. That's one of the reasons I decided to go ahead and buy the NEX-6 since I couldn't care less if I'm using e-mount or EOS-M mount lenses.

Besides - apparently there is a really crazy adapter for using EF lenses on E-mount:

I see that totally differently.  I want a really hi-end Canon mirrorless cam. If I want to go light an small, I would use it with a really compact foldable kit-zoom and/or a bunch of really good and really small EF-M pancake fixed focals.
When size and weight are less critical, I would want to use it with my existing hi-end EF/EF-S glass, using an original Canon adapter, that fully and natively supports any and all Canon mount-protocols issues  ... from AF to IS to ETTL-flash with distance information.   

The last thing on earth I would want is having to fiddle around with third-party lens adapters, that will never truly and fully support all of Canons totally proprietary lens mount protocol. And i certainly do not want to buy a Sony mirrorless cam. I greatly prefer the Canon UI, that I am am very familiar with.

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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #105 on: March 20, 2013, 12:55:33 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #106 on: March 20, 2013, 01:30:52 PM »
Instead of rehashing budget DSLRs, Canon I wish that Canon would just fix the M-Series by fixing the AF, releasing more native lenses, updating the sensor, and providing at least an option for an EVF.

+100 if I could.  EOS-M needs more glass, vastly improved AF speed and a viewfinder.  That's what it needs to compete in mirrorless.

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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #107 on: March 20, 2013, 02:18:48 PM »
So basically the EOS-B is a smaller 700D? I was hoping the 700D would get the GPS & wifi of the 6D. What exactly did it get that will differentiate it from the 650D?

I have to say, Canons moves lately have perplexed me.

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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #108 on: March 20, 2013, 04:06:43 PM »
I don't consider that a downside, as using EF lenses with an adapter negates the small form factor anyway. That's one of the reasons I decided to go ahead and buy the NEX-6 since I couldn't care less if I'm using e-mount or EOS-M mount lenses.

Besides - apparently there is a really crazy adapter for using EF lenses on E-mount:

I see that totally differently.  I want a really hi-end Canon mirrorless cam. If I want to go light an small, I would use it with a really compact foldable kit-zoom and/or a bunch of really good and really small EF-M pancake fixed focals.
When size and weight are less critical, I would want to use it with my existing hi-end EF/EF-S glass, using an original Canon adapter, that fully and natively supports any and all Canon mount-protocols issues  ... from AF to IS to ETTL-flash with distance information.   

The last thing on earth I would want is having to fiddle around with third-party lens adapters, that will never truly and fully support all of Canons totally proprietary lens mount protocol. And i certainly do not want to buy a Sony mirrorless cam. I greatly prefer the Canon UI, that I am am very familiar with.



Meanwhile metabones has a. EOS to nex focal reducer to gain a stop of light and make your nex like a 35mm sensor. When will EOS m have this?


Also... Ettl... Might as well put your camera in auto

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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #109 on: March 21, 2013, 04:30:31 AM »
Meanwhile metabones has a. EOS to nex focal reducer to gain a stop of light and make your nex like a 35mm sensor. When will EOS m have this?

Yeah this is so cool it's hard not to want one :D

Although putting extra glass between the sensor and the lens is a bit iffy imho.
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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #110 on: March 21, 2013, 07:13:58 AM »
I don´t know what is going on.

An other Canon guy name the 100D (EOS B) now SL1.

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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #111 on: March 21, 2013, 07:56:14 AM »
Meanwhile metabones has a. EOS to nex focal reducer to gain a stop of light and make your nex like a 35mm sensor.

Free lunch! Free FREE LUNCH!!!
ROFL ... hahaha!!!

I do not want a NEX. I do not want any Sony product as a matter of fact, even if it were given to me for free.
And the last thing I would want is a totally wacko third-party lens adapter with glass in it to reduce rechnical image quality. :-) 

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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #111 on: March 21, 2013, 07:56:14 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #112 on: March 21, 2013, 08:48:14 AM »
Meanwhile metabones has a. EOS to nex focal reducer to gain a stop of light and make your nex like a 35mm sensor.

Free lunch! Free FREE LUNCH!!!
ROFL ... hahaha!!!

I do not want a NEX. I do not want any Sony product as a matter of fact, even if it were given to me for free.
And the last thing I would want is a totally wacko third-party lens adapter with glass in it to reduce rechnical image quality. :-)

Don't you feel limited by these types of principles?  :-\
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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #113 on: March 21, 2013, 09:02:20 AM »
What's the point of this camera, just because they cannot release anything competitive in the mirrorless market, so they reduce the size and the weight of their dslr??
Actually, I had a mirrorless camera for a while (olympus) and found myself disliking the interface and lack of viewfinder so much that I got a 1000D for the smaller form and ability to use the lenses which weren on my 7D for all the occasions where you want to have a good camera with you, but can't be bothered to drag around the larger model. Let's face it, something which would fit in a coat pocket with the 40mm pancake without having to buy new lenses sounds very nice as a carry-everywhere body. I definitely see meself getting one of these.

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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #114 on: March 21, 2013, 10:17:51 AM »
What's the point of this camera, just because they cannot release anything competitive in the mirrorless market, so they reduce the size and the weight of their dslr??
Actually, I had a mirrorless camera for a while (olympus) and found myself disliking the interface and lack of viewfinder so much that I got a 1000D for the smaller form and ability to use the lenses which weren on my 7D for all the occasions where you want to have a good camera with you, but can't be bothered to drag around the larger model. Let's face it, something which would fit in a coat pocket with the 40mm pancake without having to buy new lenses sounds very nice as a carry-everywhere body. I definitely see meself getting one of these.

I'd love a small camera with EF mount, that would be awesome, but this is not it for me. I have to say that very small DSLR are very ugly, this being the ugliest of all. I'm sure that it has the build quality of a Bic pen. If it had the smooth design of a NEX for example it would totally hit the spot and I think it would sell like crazy..
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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #115 on: March 21, 2013, 10:40:20 AM »
FINALLY! I consider the EOS 100D/SL1 the camera that rebels should have been all along over the last 10 years!
It will probably sell extremely well, once initial price levels drop.

Unique advantages
* a DSLR finally "small and light enough" ... compared to m4/3, Sony-Nex and other ILC-systems
* optical viewfinder
* takes EF-S and EF- lenses natively without an adapter
* no loss of funcationality compared to T5i/700D - except articulated LCD

critical issues:
1. sensor / IQ - unknown, but I do not expect a major upgrade in that department (DR, Hi-ISO noise)
2. AF performance - unknown, but early hints (dpreview) are: AF-speed still sucks big time

Sidenote: looks like the lens mount/bayonet is made of plastics, rather then steel/metal?
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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #116 on: March 21, 2013, 11:23:34 AM »
Free lunch! Free FREE LUNCH!!!
ROFL ... hahaha!!!
I don't understand this comment.

What the metabones adapter does is quite sensible. The image projected by a FF SLR lens covers (for example) 4x the area of a u4/3 sensor.  The adapter functions like a reverse-teleconverter, so that the entire FF image is reduced to cover the area of the smaller sensor. By all accounts (e.g. lens rentals) this works extremely well, even with the additional optic elements.

There is no "free-lunch". You are simply using all the light that the lens gathers, rather than throwing it - and the field of view - away.

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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #117 on: March 21, 2013, 11:41:44 AM »
What the metabones adapter does is quite sensible. The image projected by a FF SLR lens covers (for example) 4x the area of a u4/3 sensor.  The adapter functions like a reverse-teleconverter, so that the entire FF image is reduced to cover the area of the smaller sensor. By all accounts (e.g. lens rentals) this works extremely well, even with the additional optic elements.

There is no "free-lunch". You are simply using all the light that the lens gathers, rather than throwing it - and the field of view - away.

I understand perfectly well, what the metabones thingy does. And no, it does not "make a NEX a 35mm camera" .. not by a long shot.
And I would not want to fiddle around with exotic thrid-party lens adapters that will always deliver less functionality than original Canon gear and - in the case of the anti-teleconverter will also degrade image quality.
Again, this is me ... others may love it and consider it the greatest thing since sliced bread. :-)

I would much rather take a Canon 100D instead of any NEX or other mirrorless currently on the market, since it has native and full compatibility with my existing Canon EF- and EF-S glass, supporting all of its functionality

What I truly want however is a High End FF mirrorless camera with lens mount. Ideally with the Nikon D800 sensor plus Canon UI and a Canon-adapter for Canon EF- glass  ... at a price not higher than the D800. :-)

And if the Sony RX1 had come with a lens mount and a selection of first rate ultracompact fix focal pancakes and an ultracompact, decent kit-zoom ... it would have been the very first camera from Sony ever, to appear on my  shopping radar screen.  But unfortunately Sony is as stupid as Canon and Nikon regarding their current mirrorless offerings.
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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #117 on: March 21, 2013, 11:41:44 AM »

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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #118 on: March 21, 2013, 12:26:02 PM »
Free lunch! Free FREE LUNCH!!!
ROFL ... hahaha!!!
I don't understand this comment.

What the metabones adapter does is quite sensible. The image projected by a FF SLR lens covers (for example) 4x the area of a u4/3 sensor.  The adapter functions like a reverse-teleconverter, so that the entire FF image is reduced to cover the area of the smaller sensor. By all accounts (e.g. lens rentals) this works extremely well, even with the additional optic elements.

There is no "free-lunch". You are simply using all the light that the lens gathers, rather than throwing it - and the field of view - away.

While I agree in principle, the AF performance using these adapters leaves a lot to be desired. After using one on my friends camera (which was sloooooooow), I couldn't care less what IQ it delivered ... But then maybe I'm spoilt with the AF of the 5d3.
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Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens
« Reply #119 on: March 21, 2013, 01:32:39 PM »
...And I would not want to fiddle around with exotic thrid-party lens adapters that will always deliver less functionality than original Canon gear and - in the case of the anti-teleconverter will also degrade image quality.
Again, this is me ... others may love it and consider it the greatest thing since sliced bread. :-)

Actually in this case the adapter delivers more functionality. If this translates to more quality as well (or not), I'll leave in the middle  8)
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« Reply #119 on: March 21, 2013, 01:32:39 PM »