Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

[Don Haines]

The 5D3 and 6D sensors have lower pixel count and poorer low ISO dynamic range compared to that on D800 and D600 respectively. So, there is no technical advantage whatsoever in Canon cameras

How is that people continually fail to understand that a "camera" is not a metal/plastic box with a sensor inside, any more than a car is a metal/plastic box with an engine inside?  I was car shopping recently, pretty much every vehicle I was looking at, different body styles from 5 different manufacturers, all had a 3.5L 6-cyl engine.  Does that mean there's no real difference between them?

Yes, the sensor is important.  No, Canon doesn't make the best sensors from an IQ standpoint.  But until consumers start buying bare silicon sensors to take pictures, what matters is camera performance, not only sensor performance.

so if canon tomorrow released the 5Dmk4, which was 2MP, had 1 stop of dynamic range shot in black and white and maxed out at ISO 100, but was twice as good in every other way as the current camera, you'd buy it?

NONSENSE.

It is an imaging device at the end of the day, and it needs to perform as an imaging device. sure it is not the only metric, but the end result is what you get, what you charge for, and what speaks of your work. You'll never look at a picture and admire it based on camera ergonomics, or wifi support, or how many cross points it has. Pixels do the talking for you at the end of the day, and yes you can still shoot horrible shots with great quality, yet the fact remains image quality remains king. You simply can't explain the amount of effort companies put into improving it otherwise or the fact the consumer pays attention to it anyways. And that is what matters. Canon needs to sell what consumers want, and if they review quality, companies need to deliver. The fact canon lags, doesn't make it less important.

come on now.... that's like offering up a lamborghini with a rubber band motor.. I'ts balanced performance that makes a fine car and it's balanced performance that makes a fine camera.... It's lens... and sensor... and processing power and algorithms... and user interface... and ergonomics... and a host of other things too numerous to mention.

I can take a 1DX, put an old crappy lens on it, and ruin the balance of the system. Image quality will be crap. I can turn off autofocus and shoot blurry pictures.... image quality will be crap. I can turn off IS on a handheld long lens at slow shutter speeds.... image quality will be crap.

You need a good working SYSTEM to take a decent picture.... the sensor is only one part of that system so why is everyone so fixated on it?

The Olympus OMD-EM5 has a better sensor than my 60D. I even have a bin of Oly lenses. The Canon 60D has a better user interface, it feels better in the hand, and it has a better selection of glass. Guess which one I use? Hint: system beats sensor...

[nicku]

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<p><strong>A New Rebel T5i<br />

</strong>A new Rebel will also appear this week, the replace to the EOS T4i. Not much different outside of the new 18-55 STM kit lens.</p>
<p><strong>Canon EOS T5i Specs</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>18mp</li>
<li>DIGIC 5</li>
<li>9pt AF, all cross type</li>
<li>1.04 million dot 3″ LCD with Vari-Angle and touchscreen</li>
<li>5 fps</li>
<li>Full HD</li>
<li>Flash sync of 1/200 sec</li>
<li>ISO 25600 100-25,600</li>
<li>Creative Filters</li>
<li>SD / SDHC / SDXC media (corresponding UHS-I)</li>
<li>Battery LP-E8</li>
<li>Weight (including battery and memory card) 580g</li>
<li>Available at the end of April</li>
<li>EF-S 18-55mm IS STM or EF-S 18-135mm IS STM</li>
</ul>
<div id=\"attachment_13147\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\" style=\"width: 510px\"><a href=\"http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ef-s1855stm.jpg\"><img class=\"size-full wp-image-13147 \" alt=\"EF-S 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM\" src=\"http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ef-s1855stm.jpg\" width=\"500\" height=\"380\" /></a><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">EF-S 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM</p></div>
<p><strong>Source: [<a href=\"http://digicame-info.com/2013/03/eos-kiss-x7i.html\" target=\"_blank\">DCI</a>]</strong></p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong></p>

you better f***ing kidding me.... it's a 650D.....

[ddashti]

There isn't much of a difference in the T5i specs than the T4i (and even the "EOS-b"). I'm assuming Canon will have to change the name of the "Rebel" series for the new generation of consumer DSLRs.

[neuroanatomist]

You need a good working SYSTEM to take a decent picture.... the sensor is only one part of that system so why is everyone so fixated on it?

My point exactly.  Camera performance matters.  Sensor performance is part of that, but short of people hyperbolizing to the point of NONSENsical absurdity, it's not the only part. 

I suspect everyone is fixated on it for two reasons.  First, in general, it's easy to measure sensor performance and plot the data or reduce the data to a single 'score'.  Second, in particular on CR forums, it's an area where Canon is not leading, and some people like to create a stir by beating on that horse (we sometimes call them trolls...). 

[Canon-F1]

 

I suspect everyone is fixated on it for two reasons.  First, in general, it's easy to measure sensor performance and plot the data or reduce the data to a single 'score'.  Second, in particular on CR forums, it's an area where Canon is not leading, and some people like to create a stir by beating on that horse (we sometimes call them trolls...).

well it´s easy as 1DX user to ignore what happens below the 2500$ barrier... right? 

as long as your needs are fulfilled there is no reason to complain.
and yes, against the D4 the 1DX looks good.

so excuse me when i don´t give much about your comments on the "dissapointed canon users" topic. 

the obvious solution for all people with a lot of canon gear is to only buy the TOP product.
so they don´t have to envy other brands. 

[Don Haines]

There isn't much of a difference in the T5i specs than the T4i (and even the "EOS-b"). I'm assuming Canon will have to change the name of the "Rebel" series for the new generation of consumer DSLRs.

I think we have to ask why? Why would Canon introduce a model where the specs seem to be almost the same as the preceeding model.... with the possibility of PERHAPS one stop of ISO ( all depends if they meant normal or expanded range). And why NOT a digic6 when its coming out in a powershot?

One possible explanation is that the old APS-C sensor fabrication line is being shut down, replaced with a new technology line.... and that means no more of the old sensors, replaced with a new one of the same size... a new sensor with the same footprint on the circuit board as the old one so design changes and re-tooling is minimal.... and once the changeover is complete, watch the same thing happen to the ff fabrication process.

This is a far more likely explanation than to just make another identical model for the sake of making a new model.

[Marsu42]

This Canon vs Nikon argument is just silly really. We have reached a point where all of the recent sensors are good enough for commercial print. I was shooting with a 40D for newspapers until about this time last year.

Blown highlights due to less dynamic range show on any print size, and you don't need life-sized prints to spot banding or noise after raising shadows. Good for Canon that his difference only matters on low iso, so only landscape or sports on very good light are affected by the difference.

[Canon-F1]

This Canon vs Nikon argument is just silly really. We have reached a point where all of the recent sensors are good enough for commercial print. I was shooting with a 40D for newspapers until about this time last year.

Blown highlights due to less dynamic range show on any print size, and you don't need life-sized prints to spot banding or noise after raising shadows. Good for Canon that his difference only matters on low iso, so only landscape or sports on very good light are affected by the difference.

cameras are special you know. 

nobody would buy a ford pinto because it can transport you from point A to point B... when you can get a better car for the same money.

but when it comes to cameras all the old stuff is good enough for fanboys, as long as it carrys the canon logo. 

it´s good enough.. yeah... so why not just stop all the research and and just selling the 40D and 50D... meanwhile sony improves their sensors. 

[roguewave]

You need a good working SYSTEM to take a decent picture.... the sensor is only one part of that system so why is everyone so fixated on it?

My point exactly.  Camera performance matters.  Sensor performance is part of that, but short of people hyperbolizing to the point of NONSENsical absurdity, it's not the only part. 

I suspect everyone is fixated on it for two reasons.  First, in general, it's easy to measure sensor performance and plot the data or reduce the data to a single 'score'.  Second, in particular on CR forums, it's an area where Canon is not leading, and some people like to create a stir by beating on that horse (we sometimes call them trolls...).

Perhaps because at this point, Canon's APS-C sensors are the weak link that makes their CAMERA performance fall behind the competition, at least in areas like noise, DR, etc.?

Sensors are an important part of the system. After Canon has failed to deliver improvements in that particular area for several years, I don't find it strange that users complain about it.

[unfocused]

I suspect everyone is fixated on it for two reasons.  First, in general, it's easy to measure sensor performance and plot the data or reduce the data to a single 'score'.  Second, in particular on CR forums, it's an area where Canon is not leading, and some people like to create a stir by beating on that horse (we sometimes call them trolls...).

You are correct as usual – EXCEPT – is it really "an area where Canon is not leading?" Or is this troll-fueled internet forum conventional wisdom?

How is Canon behind in its full frame sensors? Canon has taken a different path in that Canon has decided to go for high ISO performance instead of higher megapixels (which, by the way is what the conventional internet forum wisdom was clamoring for prior to the release of the 5DIII). But, a different path isn't falling behind, it's a different path and one, frankly, that I prefer. Truth is, I don't really need either a lot more megapixels or a lot higher ISO, but if I'm going to get one, I'll take higher ISO.

As for APS-C, Canon's flagship camera still uses a sensor that is better and newer than Nikon's flagship APS-C, so how is that falling behind? Nikon has put some interesting higher resolution sensors in their consumer models and maybe Canon is dragging their feet a bit in releasing their own versions, but it's hardly the end of the world. The higher megapixels do nothing for me and frankly the high ISO performance of the sensors Nikon is using is unimpressive, especially when you consider they are competing against Canon's nearly four-year-old sensor.

But, even if one believes the competitors have moved ahead slightly, how is that bad? Products only improve when competitors offer something better or different. Canon wants my money and when they release the next product I want, they will get it. In the meantime, I'm not going to take it personally and act like the sky is falling.

[MacPaul]

Update: the rubber grips are different from those on a 650D. It really seems to be the 700D. Damn.

Sure it is! That's Canon, steps so small would mankind have made such we still would be in the dark ages...

[zim]

YET ANOTHER 18MP APS-C from CANON!

They should earn an award for the most milked sensor in the history of photography! ah, what's an old sensor among friends right?

Nah I think the most milked sensor in the history of photography is FP4 

[Don Haines]

As for APS-C, Canon's flagship camera still uses a sensor that is better and newer than Nikon's flagship APS-C, so how is that falling behind? Nikon has put some interesting higher resolution sensors in their consumer models and maybe Canon is dragging their feet a bit in releasing their own versions, but it's hardly the end of the world. The higher megapixels do nothing for me and frankly the high ISO performance of the sensors Nikon is using is unimpressive, especially when you consider they are competing against Canon's nearly four-year-old sensor.

It is interesting...
After 4 years the Canon APS-C sensor is arguably ahead of Nikon, and the panasonic/olympus sensor is marginably better.... It's been 4 years at the top of the hill.... 4 years with better lenses and user interface and now they are starting to catch up on just the sensor component.... and this is coming at the time Canon is talking about 5D2-like performance out of the next release of camera... Oh my it hurts to shoot Canon... Oh the shame of it!

[Don Haines]

YET ANOTHER 18MP APS-C from CANON!

They should earn an award for the most milked sensor in the history of photography! ah, what's an old sensor among friends right?

Nah I think the most milked sensor in the history of photography is FP4 

I would have said Kodachrome 64.....

[Rienzphotoz]

so if canon tomorrow released the 5Dmk4, which was 2MP, had 1 stop of dynamic range shot in black and white and maxed out at ISO 100, but was twice as good in every other way as the current camera, you'd buy it?

Hypothetical exaggerations should have some threshold ... this is plain absurd