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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2013, 03:32:33 AM »
And don't forget you can stack two 2x teleconverters and get an 800mm f/8 that will still autofocus on a 1D-series (I'd like to see how usable that would be though, any of you lucky-suckers who own one wanna test?).

No it will not.  At f5.6 it starts to hunt (1.4 & 2X)! P.S. due to over shooting the correct focus position!

The 200 f2 IS has 5 stops of IS that no one seems to notice (as stated in the user manual!) canon has not changed the user manual since release and after using my lens I agree with the manual.

I sold my 300 f 2.8 L IS to get this lens because of the added value of nearly 300mm f2.8 and 400mm f4 with the 1.4 & 2X converters with 5 stops of IS.

Yes I use my 7-200 mk II more but when shooting bar bands with a 1DX at max ISO nothing else will get the shot!
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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2013, 03:32:33 AM »

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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2013, 06:28:50 AM »
And don't forget you can stack two 2x teleconverters and get an 800mm f/8 that will still autofocus on a 1D-series (I'd like to see how usable that would be though, any of you lucky-suckers who own one wanna test?).

And what IQ would one get after stacking two 2x TCs?

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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2013, 02:48:04 PM »

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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2013, 04:04:08 PM »
My guess, 'cos I love playing this stuff  :)

First one 200 f2, second on 70-200 f2.8.
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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2013, 04:24:57 PM »
A stop can be a lot, however most of the time it is nothing, iso 100-200 is the same as 1/250-1/500 for instance, and few people are shooting portraits with the 200 f2 at 1600 iso and higher out of necessity. In situations where you really are pushing your equipments limits then obviously one stop can be the make or break point.

But realistically you're not looking at ISO 200-100 for indoor sports, you'd be looking more at ISO 6400-3200 (or as you mentioned 1/250-1/500); which IS a huge difference.  And for instances where you do have the luxury of lower ISOs, you can burn that extra stop on shutter speed or stopping down for sharpness/dof as needed.

As for the lens giving an unrepeatable "unique look", well we all know that is rubbish, for a start you can Breznier Method 200 f2 with almost any lens, you can certainly get much shallower dof using the 85 f1.8 and the Breznier technique. Similarly few, if anybody, can actually pick out these "unique look" lenses when they don't know what the image was actually shot with.

For portraits, absolutely. Although you have to go long for the desired level of compression and need to keep an eye on MFD.  And you have to incur the overhead of stitching/processing them.  Definitely worth it for a special shot though.  And if absolute sharpness isn't your goal, arguably, you may even be better off.

The main use case for this lens is indoor sports though, and and you're kinda out of luck there.

At least you have a balanced and realistic and balanced opinion of what this lens is and isn't.  Better than those that insist it's "the one true lens" (usually because they own one), or that it's overpriced junk (usually because they can't afford one).

Me, I greatly appreciate the lens for it's strengths, and I'd love to have one some day.  But I'm not under the illusion that it's the perfect lens for everyone, or for every use.

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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2013, 04:51:57 PM »
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A stop can be a lot, however most of the time it is nothing, iso 100-200 is the same as 1/250-1/500 for instance, and few people are shooting portraits with the 200 f2 at 1600 iso and higher out of necessity. In situations where you really are pushing your equipments limits then obviously one stop can be the make or break point.

We are in complete agreement.

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The main use case for this lens is indoor sports though, and and you're kinda out of luck there.

Again, we are in complete agreement, the lens, as a stand alone portrait lens is not, particularly, special or unique. In it's primary design roll it can be the difference between a usable, I'm getting paid image, and another night of Ramen Noodles.  :)

If anybody was to ask my advise on buying one, I'd say do you shoot a decent amount of low light stuff where one stop is going to make it for you, and, do you get paid a reasonable living wage to do it? If the answer is yes to all that then I'd say get one, and by the way it is an awesome portrait lens. If they said no I want it primarily to take portraits with a unique look I'd say don't bother.

I would buy one solely for portraiture but at the moment the 135L is the closest Ill get.

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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2013, 05:30:07 PM »
P.S. To be sure, my reason for posting was not to dampen the spirits of any 200 f2 owners, I doubt I could and wouldn't want to  :).

It is an awesome lens and a real blast to use. My concern, especially when a particular lens is held up as having a "unique look" is that somebody fixates on it and believes it will be a magic bullet to improve their photography, when, in truth, it rarely is.

There is no magic bullets but the 200 F/2L is a lens with a unique look, along with the 85LII, 50L, 135L, 35L, and 24LII.

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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2013, 07:01:36 PM »
I own both and both are superb performers.  And both have their place.  For me, I carry both to almost every job and will typically put 200/2 of FF and 70-200II on crop to start but that changes.  One won't replace the other and I find the primes tend to produce better looking photos (color, contrast) than zooms.  That said the V2 of the 70-200 is a stellar performer, much better than V1 IMO.  If I was starting out I would buy the 70-200II before anything else.  Certainly a workhorse
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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2013, 07:36:45 AM »
I sold my 24-70 2.8 L II, my 70-300 L an my 70-200 2.8 L IS II last week....to buy the magic 200 2.0 L. I love it  ;D...but the 70-200 2.8 L IS II is also a great lens. I think i will buy a new one next year  ;)
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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2013, 08:40:10 AM »
I sold my 24-70 2.8 L II, my 70-300 L an my 70-200 2.8 L IS II last week....to buy the magic 200 2.0 L.

That would be a little extreme, for me.  But the thought did occur to me that by selling my 35L, 24-105L and 28-300L, and 100-400L, I'd be better than half way to a 300/2.8L IS II.  :-X
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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2013, 08:56:17 AM »
I own both and for me the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II is used when I need the versatility of a zoom and the guaranteed sharpness.  The 200 f/2 is used when I need better tracking and twice the light such as indoor sports.  They are not even close to being the same lens and I would never think of getting rid of the zoom when owning the f/2.

Here is an example of what the 200 f/2 can do in very low light.  The 70-200 would have needed double the ISO to get this same shot which would have killed it (or required me to dig out the flash - no time for that).  The 200 f/2 on a 1DX is as close to magic as we can get right now. :)

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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2013, 09:13:04 AM »

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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2013, 03:53:15 AM »
I liked the 200 f/2 for landscape and wildlife shots.  I don't feel the primary use of the lens is indoor sports.  Obviously that is the primary use of this lens for sports photographers...but there are also plenty of theatre photographers who use it, plenty of portrait shooters...and plenty of nature shooters.  In my opinion the main advantage of the lens is not to create shallow DOF.  The main advantage is the color palette, combined with the natural yet very wide contrast, and sharpness/resolution.  Shallow DOF can be captured with most any fast aperture lens.

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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2013, 04:30:47 AM »
I finally purchased the Canon 200mm f2.0. It's an amazing lens by itself and produces great photos.  It's also huge and with the hood, takes up all the space in my backpack.

The 70-200mm is smaller, relatively cheap, more versatile and at 200mm f2.8, can get close to great results, but not quite the same caliber.  Do you guys still manage to make use of both 70-200mm f2.8 II and the 200mm f2.0 regularly? What are your thoughts?

Yes, it's a problem isn't it, but what a great one to have, I have both Lenses, I do use the 70-200f/2.8 II more than the 200f/2, but, I man love that 200f/2, and if it's the size that worries you, solve the issue the same way I did.

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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2013, 04:36:59 AM »
I own both and for me the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II is used when I need the versatility of a zoom and the guaranteed sharpness.  The 200 f/2 is used when I need better tracking and twice the light such as indoor sports.  They are not even close to being the same lens and I would never think of getting rid of the zoom when owning the f/2.

Here is an example of what the 200 f/2 can do in very low light.  The 70-200 would have needed double the ISO to get this same shot which would have killed it (or required me to dig out the flash - no time for that).  The 200 f/2 on a 1DX is as close to magic as we can get right now. :)



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Re: Question for owners of Canon 200mm f2.0 and 70-200mm f 2.8 II lens
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