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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2013, 03:03:44 AM »
I wonder if we mightn't see more branding or sub-branding of camera sensors, certainly in DSLRs, moving forwards, similar to the situation with Intel chips and so forth.  Certainly the word Exmor has already entered the camera-geek lexicon.

During the guts of the MP race that was as easy way to distinguish between them but not any longer.   A few months back a female friend asked for my help in picking a compact camera prior to a holiday to Japan, assuming that I knew something about photography (risky assumption!!)  Having been out of the compact market for many years I was staggered to see many of them packing 18MP.  Same as the top-of-the-line 1DX.   Huh??

I'm quite happy if a lot the crop sensors stay around 18MP personally.  For many types of shooting what you can do with 18MP (with correct technique) is already pretty amazing.   I do a lot of focus stacking and with the MP-E 65mm at 5:1 it is possible to take objects 4 or 5mm and blow them up to enormous sizes.  More MP will only slow down my processing times and bloat my hard drives.

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2013, 03:18:46 AM »
Ah the EF 200-400 f/4L IS... The worst kept secret and will be the most un-exciting announcement ever.

No no... he's not talking about the 200-400.... he's talking about the 00-400 lens.... obviousl some new super-ultra-mega wide angle lens...

It's so wide it takes a detailed scan of the brain of the person behind the camera and delivers a picture of what they're thinking.
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2013, 03:25:56 AM »
A new sensor! Oh no. What will people whine about now?

No worry, for some folks nothing Canon will ever do will be enough.
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Just bcoz they see the number "18" since 2009, some people have the habit of cribbing and crying for nothing ... doesn't matter even if it is a new sensor, they will just have their specially designed shades that magically exclude the the words "new sensor". Maybe they are incapable of making decent images with an 18 MP sensor in which case their immediate need is not a new higher MP count sensor but some basic education in photography. 
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2013, 03:34:43 AM »
From DPReview early preview:

"The focusing speed of the updated hybrid phase and contrast-detect design remains unchanged, which unfortunately means that it still lags behind current mirrorless cameras from Sony, Olympus and Panasonic."

Well done Canon for the LACK of progress in this critical department. Wow! I am totally floored.

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2013, 03:53:36 AM »
From DPReview early preview:

"The focusing speed of the updated hybrid phase and contrast-detect design remains unchanged, which unfortunately means that it still lags behind current mirrorless cameras from Sony, Olympus and Panasonic."

Well done Canon for the LACK of progress in this critical department. Wow! I am totally floored.

so, we have a newly developed sensor that is:
- slow in hybrid AF (just like the previous one)
- same MP count from 2009
- we don't know the IQ, but I don't hope too much

I'd be curious what has Canon developed for years... are they really _that_ lame?

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2013, 03:57:23 AM »
I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.

Actually, I have to say I am surprised to see a Digic 6 already. Might be that Canon has better means to upgrade the processor than the sensor.

However, time will tell.

I am in the market for a crop camera to pair with a good tele. Between 6D and D600 I already chose the D600; let's see if this camera looks better than the D7100.

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2013, 04:28:29 AM »
I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.
You seem to have conveniently forgot the new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor,  new 61-point high density reticular autofocus, including up to 41 cross-type AF points and 5 dual diagonal AF points, , new in-built HDR, new dual slots for CF and SD cards (just to name a few) ... well I suppose when one does not want to accept facts it is hard to see ::)
let's see if this camera looks better than the D7100.

I've used EOS 60D & EOS 7D for over 3 years (sold them to upgrade to 5D MK III and some L glass), I currently own a Nikon D7000 ... D7000 is a camera that fills the gap between 60D and 7D i.e. a little better than 60D and not as good as 7D ... the same applies to D7100 i.e. it will fill the gap between EOS 70D & EOS 7D II
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2013, 04:28:29 AM »

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2013, 04:58:02 AM »
From DPReview early preview:

"The focusing speed of the updated hybrid phase and contrast-detect design remains unchanged, which unfortunately means that it still lags behind current mirrorless cameras from Sony, Olympus and Panasonic."

Well done Canon for the LACK of progress in this critical department. Wow! I am totally floored.

I have to admit it puzzles me a little.  It doesn't look like the sensor is much of an advance on the 650D.  Assuming the sensor in the 100D and 700D are the same, that begs the question why anyone would upgrade to a 700D.

When looking at the Canon range, I like the EOS M form factor, but I won't be pulling the trigger until there is a significant advance in sensor technology.  For now, I'll suck it up and lug the 7D.
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2013, 05:27:50 AM »
I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.
You seem to have conveniently forgot the new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor,  new 61-point high density reticular autofocus, including up to 41 cross-type AF points and 5 dual diagonal AF points, , new in-built HDR, new dual slots for CF and SD cards (just to name a few) ... well I suppose when one does not want to accept facts it is hard to see ::)
let's see if this camera looks better than the D7100.

I've used EOS 60D & EOS 7D for over 3 years (sold them to upgrade to 5D MK III and some L glass), I currently own a Nikon D7000 ... D7000 is a camera that fills the gap between 60D and 7D i.e. a little better than 60D and not as good as 7D ... the same applies to D7100 i.e. it will fill the gap between EOS 70D & EOS 7D II

Talking about trolls... what's the point in mentioning other features when the topic is the new sensor? We're comparing this seemingly new sensor to the old one. Same amount of MP sounds a lot like marginal upgrade, that's the point in question.

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2013, 05:57:37 AM »
DIGIC 6
DIGIC 6 will be introduced tonight in the SX280 HS as reported a few days ago. We’re told we can expect DIGIC 6 to make its first appearance in an EOS camera inside the EOS 70D.

DIGIC6 is bad news since Magic Lantern won't run on these cameras for some time - and thus one of the few features that Canon cameras have over Nikon. But I'm keen to see what new features are in the chip, can't be just the speed because DIGIC5 does ok here.

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2013, 06:16:08 AM »
If the MP count has not changed then the underlying technology behind the pixels/sensor has not changed. i.e. there will be no DR/noise improvements over the 60D.

Indeed. I do not see why Canon does not want to take advantage of an improved sensor design to venture into higher pixel count territory. It is after all a chance for them to brag.

What if they can't?
What if some n years ago, they reached a point where they couldn't improve any further?

I am shure that canon is able to build revolutionary sensors intellectually and technically ... but they can't bring it to market because of intellectual property reasons (patents etc.).

Compare an EOS 20D (2004) and a some current model: There has been slight progress in IQ compared to the decade before the EOS 20D has been available.

Today's sensors are mostly out-developed and the headroom for improvement is small. Now Sony has found a profound improvement in DR, perhaps by the only available technology at the moment. They protect it by patents and other companies are blocked ... until the other companies find another way to improve sensor DR without offending existing patents.
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2013, 06:39:32 AM »
With the 5D3 and the 6D as the better level cameras just out, it would be Odd (though nice) for the 70D's new sensor to jump much beyond that performance. If there was a significant jump in sensor tech then i'd expect the 1D to get a refresh first/at the same time.  Sadly i most think the new sensor will mostly be a Video improvement.

Lets not forget  they need to save something interesting for the 7D mk2.
 So unless the 60D was the end of the range with everything stepping down to the 100D (like the 1000D tried),

This 70D will either be a video enhancement or a 7Dmk2 to add to the prosumer 5/6/7D group.
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2013, 06:48:06 AM »
That new compact with Digic 6 can do 1080p 60fps. I wonder if we will see that feature on the 70D.

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« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2013, 06:48:06 AM »

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2013, 06:48:21 AM »
With the 5D3 and the 6D as the better level cameras just out, it would be Odd (though nice) for the 70D's new sensor to jump much beyond that performance. If there was a significant jump in sensor tech then i'd expect the 1D to get a refresh first/at the same time. 

Full frame is about usable high iso, crop is about reach and low iso - and for still tripod shots even my 60d does just fine, you can do multishot noise reduction in software for a ff look. If Canon would only be able to raise the dr on low iso like Nikon did it would be an upgrade "next" and not "instead" of the 5d3/6d.

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2013, 06:49:13 AM »
I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.
You seem to have conveniently forgot the new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor, 
The "new"  63 zone dual-layer metering sensor is from 7D(2009) and 1100D(2011), of course you can say there's nothing wrong with it

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2013, 06:49:13 AM »