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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #60 on: March 21, 2013, 07:04:17 AM »
Anyone reading this and being reminded of the 5dMKIII thread? I don't want more than 22mp, with the D800 smashing the mp and everyone absolutely slating the 5D.

Get a grip people. I bet 80% of people buying a 700D won't do any printing all! And those that do the images won't be any bigger than A4. All the files will end up on fb or the Internet generally. So 18mp is completely overkill as it is, regardless of the competition.
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #61 on: March 21, 2013, 07:04:33 AM »
Talking about trolls... what's the point in mentioning other features when the topic is the new sensor? We're comparing this seemingly new sensor to the old one. Same amount of MP sounds a lot like marginal upgrade, that's the point in question.
Once again how convenient of you not to read/understand that I clearly stated "new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor"
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #62 on: March 21, 2013, 07:05:28 AM »
Anyone reading this and being reminded of the 5dMKIII thread? I don't want more than 22mp, with the D800 smashing the mp and everyone absolutely slating the 5D.

Get a grip people. I bet 80% of people buying a 700D won't do any printing all! And those that do the images won't be any bigger than A4. All the files will end up on fb or the Internet generally. So 18mp is completely overkill as it is, regardless of the competition.
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #63 on: March 21, 2013, 07:09:43 AM »
I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.
You seem to have conveniently forgot the new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor, 
The "new"  63 zone dual-layer metering sensor is from 7D(2009) and 1100D(2011), of course you can say there's nothing wrong with it
Looks like someone does not know the difference between sensor sizes and what goes into having 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor in a FULL FRAME sensor ... an APS-C sensor is not a photocopy machine that you can duplicate the same page and produce a full frame sensor. :o
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #64 on: March 21, 2013, 07:33:45 AM »
I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.
You seem to have conveniently forgot the new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor, 
The "new"  63 zone dual-layer metering sensor is from 7D(2009) and 1100D(2011), of course you can say there's nothing wrong with it
Looks like someone does not know the difference between sensor sizes and what goes into having 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor in a FULL FRAME sensor ... an APS-C sensor is not a photocopy machine that you can duplicate the same page and produce a full frame sensor. :o
It's still the same technology, of course there are certain modifications for the full frame sensor. Why canon just put the newer metering sensor from top end model like what Nikon did instead of spending time to modify APS-C's metering?  ;D ;D Canon is a toothpaste company, squeeze little by little, and some consumers even defend for canon decisons, Y? :o

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #65 on: March 21, 2013, 07:43:23 AM »
Anyone reading this and being reminded of the 5dMKIII thread? I don't want more than 22mp, with the D800 smashing the mp and everyone absolutely slating the 5D.

And that all of those people who "slated" the 5D3 still haven't bought another new DSLR.

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Get a grip people. I bet 80% of people buying a 700D won't do any printing all! And those that do the images won't be any bigger than A4. All the files will end up on fb or the Internet generally. So 18mp is completely overkill as it is, regardless of the competition.

Except for when you want to rotate and crop it and you end up with much less than 18mp.

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #66 on: March 21, 2013, 07:54:23 AM »
Anyone reading this and being reminded of the 5dMKIII thread? I don't want more than 22mp, with the D800 smashing the mp and everyone absolutely slating the 5D.

And that all of those people who "slated" the 5D3 still haven't bought another new DSLR.


that would be me.

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #66 on: March 21, 2013, 07:54:23 AM »

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #67 on: March 21, 2013, 09:03:19 AM »
I heard Leica M digital only uses one zone instead of Canons 63. So what...

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #68 on: March 21, 2013, 09:55:14 AM »
I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.
You seem to have conveniently forgot the new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor, 
The "new"  63 zone dual-layer metering sensor is from 7D(2009) and 1100D(2011), of course you can say there's nothing wrong with it
Looks like someone does not know the difference between sensor sizes and what goes into having 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor in a FULL FRAME sensor ... an APS-C sensor is not a photocopy machine that you can duplicate the same page and produce a full frame sensor. :o
It's still the same technology, of course there are certain modifications for the full frame sensor. Why canon just put the newer metering sensor from top end model like what Nikon did instead of spending time to modify APS-C's metering?  ;D ;D Canon is a toothpaste company, squeeze little by little, and some consumers even defend for canon decisons, Y? :o

I don't see why everyone here is getting so bent out of shape over a mid range DSLR? It's not as if we own the tech, Canon does. If you want to top Canon tech, buy a 5DIII or a 1DX....there's nothing stopping you other than cost. If you want cheap and cheerful, get a 100D....if you want sowmthing in the middle, there are lots of options. But just stop bitching that a particular camera in your price range doesn't have a particular chip or feature. No one expects Jaguar performance or features in a Ford mondeo....or do they?

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #69 on: March 21, 2013, 11:02:34 AM »
I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.
You seem to have conveniently forgot the new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor, 
The "new"  63 zone dual-layer metering sensor is from 7D(2009) and 1100D(2011), of course you can say there's nothing wrong with it
Looks like someone does not know the difference between sensor sizes and what goes into having 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor in a FULL FRAME sensor ... an APS-C sensor is not a photocopy machine that you can duplicate the same page and produce a full frame sensor. :o

It's still the same technology
Yeah right!  ::) ... what's next? you gonna say Suziki Alto or KIA Picanto cars are same as a Mercedes? ::)
Why canon just put the newer metering sensor from top end model like what Nikon did
Bcoz Canon is not a copy cat company
Canon is a toothpaste company

OK, so why are you are so agitated about a toothpaste company? go buy the other brand on the dark side, it might help brighten up your mouth, I mean teeth ;D
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #70 on: March 21, 2013, 01:10:39 PM »
So 18mp is completely overkill as it is, regardless of the competition.

Imho 18mp isn't overkill, but a good mp count - it allows for good print sizes even after a little cropping & perspective correction plus you can cut 4:3 and 16:9 from it an still have enough mp left. More mp is nice for macro though, higher magnification with a sharp lens at less aperture falloff.

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #71 on: March 21, 2013, 01:11:47 PM »
It looks like I guessed correctly.  I will now pat myself on the back!  The 70D will NOT be getting a 24 MP sensor.  Hopefully the "new" 18MP sensor will outshine the 5 year old one used in all crop bodies up to now.  Time will tell...I doubt it will even be a full stop of improved noise performance at high ISO, however much they try to push the "native" ISO range.

As for my own needs...I am just going to go full frame, and keep my old XXD crop body.  I'm emotionally attached to it now. 

The 7D2, or whatever it will be called, should get something completely different in my opinion.  I know it will likely still be a 1.6x crop sensor, so this is NOT prediction, just my wish.  I say it should be a 1.2x crop sensor (larger than 1.3x but smaller than full frame), with pixel size equal to 26 or 27 megapixels on a full frame (so they would be ever so slightly smaller than the 1D4's...while the sensor is larger than 1.3x, with around 21-22 MP resolution).  However, this would have the potential to be a 1DX killer for sports shooters, and would certainly be priced similar to a 1DX....it would be a 1 series body...so I guess really what I am talking about is a mythical "1D Mark 5", or "1DX2".

I do feel a future sports 1 series will go back to some kind of crop sensor, because reach is almost always preferred over wide angle, for sports.  And the next generation high MP full frame 1 series is on the horizon, for studio and similar needs.  I kind of agree with some of the sentiment from the Nikon trolls on here...the 1DX went full frame because Canon wasn't ready to introduce a high megapixel full frame 1 series body as early as they had wished to.  The very large pixels of the 1DX certainly helped Canon climb to the top of the high ISO performance pile...at least with current bodies of "adequate" pixel count (meaning I'm calling a 12 MP full frame sensor inadequate in its resolution...even though the ISO noise is superior in the 6400 to 12,800 range).

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #72 on: March 21, 2013, 03:11:18 PM »
for me 1.6x is great. People can always go FF when they want large pixel size. But there is no very good crop sensor yet. Why feed people when they are already full.


It looks like I guessed correctly.  I will now pat myself on the back!  The 70D will NOT be getting a 24 MP sensor.  Hopefully the "new" 18MP sensor will outshine the 5 year old one used in all crop bodies up to now.  Time will tell...I doubt it will even be a full stop of improved noise performance at high ISO, however much they try to push the "native" ISO range.

As for my own needs...I am just going to go full frame, and keep my old XXD crop body.  I'm emotionally attached to it now. 

The 7D2, or whatever it will be called, should get something completely different in my opinion.  I know it will likely still be a 1.6x crop sensor, so this is NOT prediction, just my wish.  I say it should be a 1.2x crop sensor (larger than 1.3x but smaller than full frame), with pixel size equal to 26 or 27 megapixels on a full frame (so they would be ever so slightly smaller than the 1D4's...while the sensor is larger than 1.3x, with around 21-22 MP resolution).  However, this would have the potential to be a 1DX killer for sports shooters, and would certainly be priced similar to a 1DX....it would be a 1 series body...so I guess really what I am talking about is a mythical "1D Mark 5", or "1DX2".

I do feel a future sports 1 series will go back to some kind of crop sensor, because reach is almost always preferred over wide angle, for sports.  And the next generation high MP full frame 1 series is on the horizon, for studio and similar needs.  I kind of agree with some of the sentiment from the Nikon trolls on here...the 1DX went full frame because Canon wasn't ready to introduce a high megapixel full frame 1 series body as early as they had wished to.  The very large pixels of the 1DX certainly helped Canon climb to the top of the high ISO performance pile...at least with current bodies of "adequate" pixel count (meaning I'm calling a 12 MP full frame sensor inadequate in its resolution...even though the ISO noise is superior in the 6400 to 12,800 range).

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #72 on: March 21, 2013, 03:11:18 PM »

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #73 on: March 21, 2013, 03:26:37 PM »
For the last several years, megapixels have not mattered much unless you were printing big. But these days, screen resolution is catching up. 4k displays are on the horizon and 8k displays actually exist. In 2-3 years, I bet 2k displays are common place and 4k begin to pop up. An 18MP camera does not leave a bunch of room to crop if you displayed it on a 4k monitor or tv. TV displays are finally taking over prints. While most people do not print larger than a 8x10, there are a bunch of people with apple computers with 2880 pixel wide displays. While that still is not near 18mp, it's getting closer and if you crop much, you could hit that number fast. 18mp is the new minimum going forward.

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #74 on: March 21, 2013, 04:06:02 PM »
.... 8k displays actually exist.
What would you use that for? Your eye can't make the difference... For a PRO - OK where a lot process can be executed on a HUGE SCREEN - only possible application.

For a simple display - NO WAY!

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
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