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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #75 on: March 21, 2013, 04:08:49 PM »
18MP are enough for a canon camera.
if it would be a sony sensor then 24 MP are fine for APS-C but with canons current sensor technology that would be too much.

the problem is that canon does NOTHING to improve image quality on APS-C sensors.
instead they try to improve the hybrid AF.

but even that does not work well.
the hybrid AF in the 700D is not faster than the 650D hybrid AF.

and i bet the 70D will have the same sensor as the 700D.
again with a lower DXOmark than the 550D sensor.

that´s what canon calls progression or innovation.  ::)

 

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #75 on: March 21, 2013, 04:08:49 PM »

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #76 on: March 21, 2013, 06:32:03 PM »
I am afraid they did the same as with the 5D2/3.

Basically as many MP, basically same sensor tech, but new processor and maybe stronger AA filter to get better high-iso and video performance.
You seem to have conveniently forgot the new 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor, 
The "new"  63 zone dual-layer metering sensor is from 7D(2009) and 1100D(2011), of course you can say there's nothing wrong with it
Looks like someone does not know the difference between sensor sizes and what goes into having 63 zone dual-layer metering sensor in a FULL FRAME sensor ... an APS-C sensor is not a photocopy machine that you can duplicate the same page and produce a full frame sensor. :o

It's still the same technology
Yeah right!  ::) ... what's next? you gonna say Suziki Alto or KIA Picanto cars are same as a Mercedes? ::)
Why canon just put the newer metering sensor from top end model like what Nikon did
Bcoz Canon is not a copy cat company
Canon is a toothpaste company

OK, so why are you are so agitated about a toothpaste company? go buy the other brand on the dark side, it might help brighten up your mouth, I mean teeth ;D


Since when  Suziki Alto, KIA Picanto and Mercedes are developped in the same company and share some same components, if not why you mention this
LOL.........not a copy cat company had an anoucenment for a firmware to offer clean HDMI out because of .........
Rienzphotoz told canon don't to be a copy cat company, so canon release a 700D without any worth mention updates to answer the competiton, but they copied their own product the 650D  ::) ::)

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #77 on: March 21, 2013, 10:17:51 PM »
I'm not mad at all if it's not the same 18MP. A brand new 18MP sensor is intriguing especially with a DIGIC 6 inside the 70D. I love my 60D, but so far the 70D is sounding like a true upgrade (new 18mp sensor and digic 6) hopefully with more!

Bring it on Canon!

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #78 on: March 22, 2013, 12:30:35 AM »
Great to see CanonRumors has a solid team in training for the 2016 Trollympics.

Events to include the 60 second Disparage, 10 second Product Assassination and the highly prestigious Trollage Ultra-Marathon.

Go team!!!

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #79 on: March 22, 2013, 01:09:47 AM »
Great to see CanonRumors has a solid team in training for the 2016 Trollympics.

Events to include the 60 second Disparage, 10 second Product Assassination and the highly prestigious Trollage Ultra-Marathon.

Go team!!!


That's the spirit!:D
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #80 on: March 22, 2013, 01:10:13 AM »
Totally forgot about the 200-400, as if it was already announced. This doesn't make sense, unless Canon are waiting to announce with the 7D Mark II. I can see it happening.

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #81 on: March 22, 2013, 01:18:28 AM »
Great to see CanonRumors has a solid team in training for the 2016 Trollympics.

Events to include the 60 second Disparage, 10 second Product Assassination and the highly prestigious Trollage Ultra-Marathon.

Go team!!!

I see you are already hitting your straps as team captain....
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #81 on: March 22, 2013, 01:18:28 AM »

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #82 on: March 22, 2013, 05:40:26 AM »
I am for one hoping that the Digic 6 will in combination increase the useable ISO and speed on the 70D. 100-51200 (expandable to 102400) would be nice. As usual, that would mean that about 2 stops from the limit would be actually good, and 12800 could be used in a pinch, and the excellent levels upped to 3200-6400.

I am ofc not holding my breath... :)

But, 100-25600 (51200), 6400 in a pinch, 3200 still excellent I would think would be enough to get this 70D off the shelves. (1 stop over 7D, and DXOmark around 1600)

...still not holding my breath...

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #83 on: March 22, 2013, 05:55:28 AM »
Totally forgot about the 200-400, as if it was already announced. This doesn't make sense, unless Canon are waiting to announce with the 7D Mark II. I can see it happening.

I don't somehow this will be an often sold combo - the 7d2 has the built-in 1.6x tc that makes it attractive for budget tele shots, but people who buy the heavy and expensive $10k 200-400 probably will buy a 5d3 or 1dx for it - otherwise you're only using the center piece of the excellent glass on crop, wasting money and weight.

I am for one hoping that the Digic 6 will in combination increase the useable ISO and speed on the 70D

Hardly - a faster cpu might do better jpeg noise reduction, but you're still better off shooting raw and doing selective nr in post. For iso/dr, the sensor is the component you'd have to upgrade, and Canon obviously either isn't willing or able to do it. The DIGIC6 might do better video af, faster video (1080p/60) or more fps though.

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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #84 on: March 22, 2013, 07:02:12 AM »
Great to see CanonRumors has a solid team in training for the 2016 Trollympics.

Events to include the 60 second Disparage, 10 second Product Assassination and the highly prestigious Trollage Ultra-Marathon.

Go team!!!

I see you are already hitting your straps as team captain....

LOL Yeah I'm happy to help any way I can...

If it is permitted to be serious for a moment, when Photozone reviewed the 7D they reckoned that 18MP were plenty and that very very few lenses could make use of all of that.  I also recall a review saying that 15MP (50D?) was, loosely quoting, "getting towards the limit of what is sensible on an APS-C sensor".

The releases of the 70D and 7D mk ii will be interesting.  When I first picked up a 7D I was amazed by the size and brightness of the viewfinder.  I didn't find the 60D to be much better than my 550D in that respect, and nowhere near as good as the 7D.  If this trend continues I'll probably favour the 7D mk ii.  Assuming they live up to expectations otherwise.


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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #85 on: March 22, 2013, 07:08:37 AM »
I see you are already hitting your straps as team captain....
Ha ha ha ... good one. Most of these folk 8itching and cribbing about Canon cameras, for some strange reason, are usually new members or those with just a dozen or so posts ... makes me wonder if these folk are "sleeper cell" trolls, they have nothing much to contribute towards photography or help someone who is asking seeking help/advice etc but the moment there is a new Canon camera being released or if there is a discussion about a any other camera maker, they suddenly come out in the open, only to disappear.
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #86 on: March 22, 2013, 07:32:42 AM »
I am for one hoping that the Digic 6 will in combination increase the useable ISO and speed on the 70D

Hardly - a faster cpu might do better jpeg noise reduction, but you're still better off shooting raw and doing selective nr in post. For iso/dr, the sensor is the component you'd have to upgrade, and Canon obviously either isn't willing or able to do it. The DIGIC6 might do better video af, faster video (1080p/60) or more fps though.

Hmm, It seems I missed the "with the new sensor" after "in combination". Yes, you are ofc right. I was thinking that it might be some debanding, denoising etc software at work even on the raw pics, and the Digic 6 might handle that.

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« Reply #87 on: March 22, 2013, 12:38:28 PM »
I see you are already hitting your straps as team captain....
Ha ha ha ... good one. Most of these folk 8itching and cribbing about Canon cameras, for some strange reason, are usually new members or those with just a dozen or so posts ... makes me wonder if these folk are "sleeper cell" trolls, they have nothing much to contribute towards photography or help someone who is asking seeking help/advice etc but the moment there is a new Canon camera being released or if there is a discussion about a any other camera maker, they suddenly come out in the open, only to disappear.

again you are wrong or just plain telling a lie trying to make a point.

there are a few new posters here who obviously are sony or nikon fans but it´s also obviously not "most folks".
If you are not one of them, you should not have any problem ... if not sue me.
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #87 on: March 22, 2013, 12:38:28 PM »

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« Reply #88 on: March 22, 2013, 12:55:40 PM »
If you are not one of them, you should not have any problem

excuse me but i have problems with people who make things up.
no matter if i am affected by their bollocks or not.
OK, you are excused ;D
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« Reply #89 on: March 22, 2013, 05:45:51 PM »
Wow, every thread I go Rienzphoto is crying. Stop being such a big fanboy and get a life.
So you are stooping to personal attacks I get it, its a classic case of the old saying: "the hit dog howls"
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Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
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