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Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!
« Reply #255 on: March 26, 2013, 09:59:29 AM »
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Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!
« Reply #255 on: March 26, 2013, 09:59:29 AM »

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Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!
« Reply #256 on: March 26, 2013, 10:18:29 AM »
not bad guys... 19 pages and going strong on 1 or 2 features missed on an entry level rebel... wow... slow news week I take it. 
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Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!
« Reply #257 on: March 26, 2013, 02:10:27 PM »
not bad guys... 19 pages and going strong on 1 or 2 features missed on an entry level rebel... wow... slow news week I take it.

Imho this thread reflects a recently wider spread dissatisfaction with certain Canon product decision, i.e. the "value" as in new/overall features  vs. price.

The Rebel is just a welcome issue for discussion, and I see it in conjunction with the 6d release (want an af assist beam (Nikon d600 has it built-in)? Get a €500 flash! Want to get the flash off the hotshoe? Get a €300 controller! Still want af assist? Get a second flash for €500 instead...).

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Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!
« Reply #258 on: March 26, 2013, 10:33:26 PM »

You know how silly you are sounding?  I've shot with the 10d all the way to 7d and 5d's. all the prior cameras had even less DR than the 5d3. I've shot landscape, portraits, weddings, aviation, macro, etc. I know what I want and how to get it and I don't blame my gear. I know how to get what I want with what I have, and that used to not be much. I couldn't care less how much DR a camera has, as long as I can get what I want

goody for you, not everyone can get all the DR they need for all types of shots, if you never shoot that fine but don't pretend that is the case for everyone

Sigh..give it time. I don't know why people don't get that there isn't ONE company that has the best of everything in their product for that industry. Seriously, if you REALLY NEED the DR then just get Nikon bodies. You should already know this. It's not me being an asshole but research what you want before investing. Stop blaming Canon for not dedicating their R&D into something they never promised. If you look at any sporting event, you will see Canon dominating the floor, why? Because Canon produces the best High ISO and FPS DSLR out there. Take that into consideration when you ask for more DR; its not their main objective.

Seriously be realistic. Every manufacture has their benefits and weakness. If you obviously need the DR then again get the gear that is right for YOU. Canon will make higher DR cameras, but just cause it's not NOW doesn't mean they suck.

If you don't speak up about it ahead of time then it will be too late. If none of us talks about DR and then the 5D4 comes around has the same old 10-15 year old sensor tech it'll be kinda too late then no? Some of us would rather get the DR in a Canon system and rather not end up having to switch. Although if the next 5D4/7D2 gen is still lacking then as much as I don't want to I may finally do that. And yes they do need a good waking up from their user base before it's too late, you should've heard the Canon bigwig at the euro show a few years ago bragging about how they were infinitely far ahead of the competition and saw no need to do anything as the king can sit on the hill and do nothing and thrive. yeah....




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Also again, the AFMA arguement needs to stop. It's not like its only 50% of Rebel users are beginners, its a massive amount which can be estimated to 80%. LEAVE IT BE. Know that the Rebel line is not targeting Advanced users. Yes I wouldn't mind if they did add it, but it doesn't make it a BAD camera because it doesn't have it.

It's a sad thing that a free features gets crippled out of various bodies by marketing.

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To add to that, it's not FIXING anything BROKEN. Being within specs is a choice, a choice that benefits us the consumers. If you really wanted everything perfectly aligned to begin with then trust me, forum sites would be down for week with threads yelling at Canon for raising the price by an insane amount. So stop with this battle, learn to pick your fights, its not broken, its how its meant to be.

Yeah well if you body is a +1 and you lenses are all -1 to +1 maybe not, if you body is +8 and your lenses are -8 to +15 then it's kinda broken. And they crippled it out of the 40D and 60D too. And you say go send your stuff in, yeah that is fun and miss 2 weeks of shooting or more and, if they are too busy, maybe they say six weeks and you miss major expeditions and events?
Nobody is saying to toss 5D3 AF into the Rebel or to give it 10fps or silent shutter or anything. Just give them ALL, across the entire line, MFA so they can all work to the spec of each line (which is lower, even when perfectly calibrated for the lowest vs the highest) and give it at least one real feature better than the previous model instead of wasting all those resources re-badging an old model. If they don't want to get sales eaten by iphones and such why not have tossed the WIFI stuff into it?


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Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!
« Reply #259 on: March 27, 2013, 01:40:31 AM »

You know how silly you are sounding?  I've shot with the 10d all the way to 7d and 5d's. all the prior cameras had even less DR than the 5d3. I've shot landscape, portraits, weddings, aviation, macro, etc. I know what I want and how to get it and I don't blame my gear. I know how to get what I want with what I have, and that used to not be much. I couldn't care less how much DR a camera has, as long as I can get what I want

goody for you, not everyone can get all the DR they need for all types of shots, if you never shoot that fine but don't pretend that is the case for everyone

Sigh..give it time. I don't know why people don't get that there isn't ONE company that has the best of everything in their product for that industry. Seriously, if you REALLY NEED the DR then just get Nikon bodies. You should already know this. It's not me being an asshole but research what you want before investing. Stop blaming Canon for not dedicating their R&D into something they never promised. If you look at any sporting event, you will see Canon dominating the floor, why? Because Canon produces the best High ISO and FPS DSLR out there. Take that into consideration when you ask for more DR; its not their main objective.

Seriously be realistic. Every manufacture has their benefits and weakness. If you obviously need the DR then again get the gear that is right for YOU. Canon will make higher DR cameras, but just cause it's not NOW doesn't mean they suck.

If you don't speak up about it ahead of time then it will be too late. If none of us talks about DR and then the 5D4 comes around has the same old 10-15 year old sensor tech it'll be kinda too late then no? Some of us would rather get the DR in a Canon system and rather not end up having to switch. Although if the next 5D4/7D2 gen is still lacking then as much as I don't want to I may finally do that. And yes they do need a good waking up from their user base before it's too late, you should've heard the Canon bigwig at the euro show a few years ago bragging about how they were infinitely far ahead of the competition and saw no need to do anything as the king can sit on the hill and do nothing and thrive. yeah....




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Also again, the AFMA arguement needs to stop. It's not like its only 50% of Rebel users are beginners, its a massive amount which can be estimated to 80%. LEAVE IT BE. Know that the Rebel line is not targeting Advanced users. Yes I wouldn't mind if they did add it, but it doesn't make it a BAD camera because it doesn't have it.

It's a sad thing that a free features gets crippled out of various bodies by marketing.

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To add to that, it's not FIXING anything BROKEN. Being within specs is a choice, a choice that benefits us the consumers. If you really wanted everything perfectly aligned to begin with then trust me, forum sites would be down for week with threads yelling at Canon for raising the price by an insane amount. So stop with this battle, learn to pick your fights, its not broken, its how its meant to be.

Yeah well if you body is a +1 and you lenses are all -1 to +1 maybe not, if you body is +8 and your lenses are -8 to +15 then it's kinda broken. And they crippled it out of the 40D and 60D too. And you say go send your stuff in, yeah that is fun and miss 2 weeks of shooting or more and, if they are too busy, maybe they say six weeks and you miss major expeditions and events?
Nobody is saying to toss 5D3 AF into the Rebel or to give it 10fps or silent shutter or anything. Just give them ALL, across the entire line, MFA so they can all work to the spec of each line (which is lower, even when perfectly calibrated for the lowest vs the highest) and give it at least one real feature better than the previous model instead of wasting all those resources re-badging an old model. If they don't want to get sales eaten by iphones and such why not have tossed the WIFI stuff into it?

I'll agree with one thing you said there, they should toss in the wifi, that would be a total hit for the crowd low end rebels are made for.

As to much of the rest, where to begin???

How about with this.  A never ending discussion on a rumor site will not get you that change.  Communicate with canon.  Of course, that may not get you anywhere because most people buying rebels will shoot with the kit lens and on green box auto everything mode.  Again, most don't even know what a focus point is, much less know when you may need to use it. 

You mention the 5d series and DR and how if we don't endlessly debate it the next 5d will have the same sensor.  I again say, bring the issue to canon.  The 5d3 is exactly what the bulk of 5d2 users wanted, better low light, better AF, better build, expanded ISO range.  We isn't demand 30+ MP's until Nikon announced the d800.  And as we know, canon will have a big mp body in 2014. 

As to the last point, what are you shooting that's so important you can't send body and lens in for calibration?  Rent some equipment if its that important. 
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Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!
« Reply #260 on: March 27, 2013, 06:46:10 AM »
How about you just get a camera and go out and shoot. Taking nice pics is not about the best tech ......

your at the wrong forum i think.

this is a forum focused on new technology you know?
so telling people to NOT talk about technology is a bit paradox.


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« Reply #261 on: March 28, 2013, 10:02:10 AM »
excuse me?  :o

I stand corrected.

Apologies!

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Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!
« Reply #262 on: March 28, 2013, 10:49:29 AM »
How about you just get a camera and go out and shoot. Taking nice pics is not about the best tech ......
his is a forum focused on new technology you know?
so telling people to NOT talk about technology is a bit paradox.

+1 - this is one of the thought-terminating clichés that I don't like (We all do know it's about shooting), the other is "if you don't like the prices go get a better job". It is indeed arguable how much 100% crop sharpness matters, but other than that each photog has to decide for himself how & what he shoots and much weight is put into the newest gear.

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« Reply #263 on: March 28, 2013, 12:09:38 PM »
It's like DxO.

Their lab results don't stop me taking pictures I'm happy with, or shooting video my clients are happy with.

But then, it is good to know if there are major problems in tech land.  My experience is that Canon aren't going to tell you (banged my head against wall with mass CCD failure, 7D CF failure) unless they really have a gun at their heads.

If it was all about making pictures and tech didn't matter we'd be as well drawing with stones on a cave wall.

Yeah, 6Mp probably was good enough.

For me coming from film, I can't ever see me using ISO 102'500.  Not in the DNA.

Don't need AF for video.

But then it's not all about me, or about the folk who don't want to talk tech.  On a tech forum.


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Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!
« Reply #264 on: March 28, 2013, 10:00:00 PM »
If it was all about making pictures and tech didn't matter we'd be as well drawing with stones on a cave wall.

Yes, but even in caveman days there was new technology....
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« Reply #265 on: April 01, 2013, 03:45:10 AM »
I have a 7d and a 600d, and both are working as well as when I bought them, which was well.

I see no reason at all to upgrade for now,  which gives me more money for glass, or the other parts of the equation.

Even had the 700 been something extra special I probably would be quite happy to keep using what I'm using.

My next purchases are hopefully going to be a c100 and an m, as both will give me a practical advantage over what I currently use for given situations (the c100 will be a work purchase, so not quite a luxury buy)

Canon needn't have launched the 700 or 650 in my opinion.

The 100 seems to be aimed squarly at the gh2 or gh3 type market. 

And the good news for those with older cameras is that the 60d, 600d and 650d may well drop in price.

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« Reply #266 on: April 02, 2013, 04:55:15 AM »
But then, it is good to know if there are major problems in tech land.  My experience is that Canon aren't going to tell you (banged my head against wall with mass CCD failure, 7D CF failure) unless they really have a gun at their heads.

Out of interest, what is the 7D compact flash issue you mention?
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« Reply #266 on: April 02, 2013, 04:55:15 AM »