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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2013, 10:58:18 PM »
My understanding is that most new cameras today (including the rebel line) are better in practically every way save for image quality... and then you have the 5d/1d/6d line that are superior.  But as someone else said, the lenses that work with full frame, especially the good ones are not cheap. 

Honestly... I'd suggest upgrading the body to a 60D and rent a 5d mkii for the wedding.  The 5dc... some people love it and it is cheap, but I think there is a real challenge in getting really nice photos from that body. 

Don't crucifix me if I'm wrong, but I have a hard time saying that the classic is really worth getting in this day and age.
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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2013, 10:58:18 PM »

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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2013, 11:00:17 PM »
My understanding is that most new cameras today (including the rebel line) are better in practically every way save for image quality... and then you have the 5d/1d/6d line that are superior.  But as someone else said, the lenses that work with full frame, especially the good ones are not cheap. 

Honestly... I'd suggest upgrading the body to a 60D and rent a 5d mkii for the wedding.  The 5dc... some people love it and it is cheap, but I think there is a real challenge in getting really nice photos from that body. 

Don't crucifix me if I'm wrong, but I have a hard time saying that the classic is really worth getting in this day and age.

I agree.  I'm thinking if you're going to be shooting paid events, I can't see why you would get a 5Dc over a 5D2.  I guess that's just me though.
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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2013, 11:02:43 PM »
The 5Dc is excellent, but has no liveview or AFMA, to big features that might matter to you.
It is excellent at high ISO's.
FF does not demand a better lens, its the opposite, just check the lens review sites.  The MTF is always higher for the same lens on a FF body.
 
You can also use the DXO tool to compare sharpness of a given lens on different bodies.  The 40mm has a 12mpix resolution on a 5Dc, but only 9mpix on a 7D
 
Play with it, a lens will have more resolution and rate higher on a 5D classic than on any crop body.  It gets even better on a 5D MK II or MK III.
 
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Lenses/Camera-Lens-Database/Canon/Canon-EF-40mm-F28-STM/(camera)/176/(cameraname)/Canon-EOS-5D

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a ff option does bring out more vignetting which isn't the biggest problem in the world, but it can turn a good ef lens on a aps-c  into a pain to edit on a ff.
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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2013, 11:31:47 PM »
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but a ff option does bring out more vignetting which isn't the biggest problem in the world, but it can turn a good ef lens on a aps-c  into a pain to edit on a ff.

correcting vignetting is a 1 click piece of cake in post...if you even find it unpleasant. for wedding work it can often add to the look of the shot.

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The 5dc... some people love it and it is cheap, but I think there is a real challenge in getting really nice photos from that body.

in good light the camera is still really good. in really low light (like what you would find at a ceremony and reception of a wedding) it is almost unusable compared to 5D2. i can't tell you how utterly frustrating it was to try to pull shots off with my 5Dc w/out flash during ceremonies. if you aren't equipped with 1.8 or faster glass you are in store for some serious frustration.....i've been there.

if you really just can't afford the 5D2 then rent it for this wedding. i can't see anyone who shoots weddings and is familiar with both those cameras advising you to go with the classic over the 2.
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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2013, 11:36:04 PM »
In short, yes. Per dollar it is the best value available out there in any margin. It's still better than any APSc camera canon currently makes.

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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2013, 11:36:20 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a ff option does bring out more vignetting which isn't the biggest problem in the world, but it can turn a good ef lens on a aps-c  into a pain to edit on a ff.

For a given lens that's true, but that's a property of wide fov lenses, not full frame. To compare apples to apples, you need to compare equivalent focal lengths (same fov) and either optimal apertures on both bodies, or "equivalent apertures" (e.g. to take into account that you can stop down a bit more and bump ISO if necessary on full frame for the same depth of field and comparable image quality)

Once you do that, it becomes much less clear that you'd expect more vignetting on FF. One thing that you do gain is that Canons wide primes are all FF lenses (and some of these, such as the tilts are outstanding). There's little point (in my opinion) in APS-C users going with FF primes wider than about 35mm because you're paying a staggering amount of money to cover a wider fov than you need. 

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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2013, 01:15:33 AM »
Best value in a FF that you are going to find.  In the hands of a skilled photographer, the results are outstanding.
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Re: 5Dc a good option?
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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2013, 01:38:02 AM »
5DC is good/better for beginners rather than getting a rebel.  However, if you are getting paid, you better get a 5D2 at the very least.  5DC got limitations in low-light.  You don't want to compromise your work especially when you are getting paid.  Getting paid means you're also setting up yourself for future earnings.  If you turned in a sloppy work, you might already blemish your reputation that's just beginning.  That said, it's still no guarantee that you'll not turn in a sloppy work even when using a 5D2 but at least it will give you a little bit of a headroom.  In my profession (programmer/analyst) we have a saying:

"You are only as good as your last project".

I think it's also true with paid photography.

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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2013, 02:23:24 AM »
..I have to agree that I would go for the 5DMK2 as well for the same reasons as whats been written.  There's some excellent deals around at the moment.

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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2013, 05:07:54 AM »
Thanks everyone for your advice! :)

Well this wedding in June I will not be getting paid for it, but yes I guess if I have a regular income paying for a 5D2 shouldn’t be a problem. However, as a photographer who has only used APS-C bodies, I feel I should look at going full frame but I am not sure if spending over twice what the 5Dc costs on a 5D2 is a good use of my money. Is the image quality that different between the two?

I understand the 5Dc is not the best in lowlight, but it can’t be worse than my 450D! I don’t like going up to 1600 on the 450D, even 800 is not great.

If I was to buy a 5Dc I may have enough money next year to buy a 5D3 and keep the 5Dc as a backup, also the 5Dc is the cheapest way to get into/practice with full frame.

So I guess from what I have been reading I have to options, they are:

•   Buy a used 5Dc for around £400 and buy an 85mm 1.8 (Which I think will fit in well because my two L lenses are f/4’s - EF 17-40 f/4L and 70-200 f/4L, although I do have a 50mm f1.8 )
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•   Buy a used 5D2 body only (If anyone knows of any good deals in the UK please let me know!)
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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2013, 05:24:06 AM »
If I was to buy a 5Dc I may have enough money next year to buy a 5D3 and keep the 5Dc as a backup, also the 5Dc is the cheapest way to get into/practice with full frame.

So I guess from what I have been reading I have to options, they are:

•   Buy a used 5Dc for around £400 and buy an 85mm 1.8 (Which I think will fit in well because my two L lenses are f/4’s - EF 17-40 f/4L and 70-200 f/4L, although I do have a 50mm f1.8 )

This, the way you put it, sounds like the most sensible option. Even if you haven't saved up enough for a 5D3 by next year, you could go for the MkII. Having 2 bodies is always nice, and well, you could also sell the 5Dc at a tiny loss if you find you don't need it.
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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2013, 11:51:30 AM »
I came from an XTi.  For all of the creature comforts (AF, menus, features) it was pretty much a lateral move.  For you going from one Rebel newer than my old one the only feature you'd be missing out on going to the older camera is the additional integration that the EX II speedlights bring in, but the menus are older looking.

I find the 5D to be on par with my Rebel as far as AF goes.  The adverse lighting conditions that affect the Rebel more or less are the same conditions that affect the 5D.  The 5D, like all other non-Rebel bodies brings in the ability to swap out the focus screen.  I exclusively use the Ee-S precision focusing screen.  That plus MTF lenses and the back button feature and all my focusing needs are met.  The bigger viewfinder is a help too.  If you've survived the 450D's autofocus then you should be just fine on the 5D.  Moving subjects probably track a little better but it's not a huge difference.  Wether that fits your definition of acceptable is entirely your determination.

ISO performance is about one stop (maybe 1 and 1/3) better than my Rebel.  That is to say, if 800 is acceptable on my Rebel then 1600 will be just fine on the 5D.  I'll actually use 3200 on the 5D, but for the most part won't touch 1600 on the Rebel unless I'm desperate.

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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2013, 02:22:43 AM »
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If I was to buy a 5Dc I may have enough money next year to buy a 5D3 and keep the 5Dc as a backup, also the 5Dc is the cheapest way to get into/practice with full frame.

once you get a 5D3 you wont want to touch the 5DC...even as a backup. The 5D2 can still hang as a backup to the Mrk3. the 5DC, while a wonderful camera for quite some time, is just not anywhere close to being in the 5D3 neighborhood. at least not for weddings.

if you want to go cheap/low risk...the 5DC will work.
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« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2013, 02:19:53 PM »
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If I was to buy a 5Dc I may have enough money next year to buy a 5D3 and keep the 5Dc as a backup, also the 5Dc is the cheapest way to get into/practice with full frame.

once you get a 5D3 you wont want to touch the 5DC...even as a backup.

There's a lot of truth to this statement! While I loved my 5DC during its heyday, I'm so spoiled by the 5D3 that I hope I'll never have to touch the Classic again, even as a backup.

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Re: 5Dc a good option?
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2013, 07:49:12 AM »
I wish I had the money for a 5D3!
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