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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #90 on: July 30, 2011, 11:52:37 AM »
There are tons of things that could be in a camera, GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth, radio flash transmitter, and so on.  They all take space and power(read larger battery).  At the same time many users are wanting smaller cameras, they also want features that will make them bigger and heavier.

I'd certainly like to have all the things I listed above, even if it takes a 1D sized body.  I do not expect to get them all in the near future.

A add-on grip that did them all might be acceptable, if it powered them separately so that it did not drain the main camera battery.

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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #90 on: July 30, 2011, 11:52:37 AM »

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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #91 on: July 30, 2011, 12:24:25 PM »
There are tons of things that could be in a camera, GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth, radio flash transmitter, and so on.  They all take space and power(read larger battery).  At the same time many users are wanting smaller cameras, they also want features that will make them bigger and heavier.

I'd certainly like to have all the things I listed above, even if it takes a 1D sized body.  I do not expect to get them all in the near future.

A add-on grip that did them all might be acceptable, if it powered them separately so that it did not drain the main camera battery.

A very interesting lateral thought - an add-on grip with bolt-on functions. I wonder how technically feasible that is.

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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #92 on: July 30, 2011, 12:42:32 PM »
There are tons of things that could be in a camera, GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth, radio flash transmitter, and so on.  They all take space and power(read larger battery).  At the same time many users are wanting smaller cameras, they also want features that will make them bigger and heavier.

I'd certainly like to have all the things I listed above, even if it takes a 1D sized body.  I do not expect to get them all in the near future.

A add-on grip that did them all might be acceptable, if it powered them separately so that it did not drain the main camera battery.

A very interesting lateral thought - an add-on grip with bolt-on functions. I wonder how technically feasible that is.

Canon already offers a grip with Wifi and bluetooth, adding GPS and radio flash should be possible.  BTW, I believe you can link a bluetooth GPS that way.
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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #93 on: July 31, 2011, 09:06:58 AM »
1. Split the 5D line into a still camera and an advanced video feature camera.

On my opinion, the advantage of video in DSLR is the ability to use the FF DSLR technology to add video as a 'free' bonus. Creating a 5D version with video as a priority sounds odd. Why 5D ? Why not a specialised video camera with FF sensor and EF lens compatibility ? I think the rumor is false and that it is just a guess, not from a real informed person.

2. A camera between the 5D Mark III and 1D

This makes much more sense, resolution / speed priority

They could I spose both be the same thing, a bare bones 5D mk3 that lacks video and keep the old 9 point AF then a new model between the 5D and ID that includes video and a 7D standard AF system.

Perhaps they feel that the 5D mk2's sucess is partly down to its recently relatively low price point and they want to offer something new at the same kind of level while still making some profit and not effecting sales of the more expensive models?

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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #94 on: July 31, 2011, 06:40:56 PM »
I don't see Canon trying to foist that old 9-point AF on pros/semipros again - at least, I certainly hope they don't.  Then again, where's our eye tracking?

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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #95 on: July 31, 2011, 08:00:28 PM »
Then again, where's our eye tracking?

Personally I don't see them releasing the eye control option again any time soon and I'll tell you why...

1.  The simplest reason is liability. People already are griping about the 45 pt af and more options such as eye controll can be a bigger backlash. The amount of calibration, testing... People moan that they need to do the microadjust let alone calibration... If it doesn't work perfect out of the box be prepared to read floods of forums... This af is horrible. Part b to this answer if professional photogs don't JUST look at the subject matter in the view finder, were looking at the scene, the background blur, the composition, looking for anything that would detract...  If a photog looks off subject consciously or unconsciously for a split second before clicking the shutter, you just lost your focus assuming you didn't lock ur focus. Even if it was user error, people will still slam canon and NO one will accept responsibility. In this saturation of pro photogs not seen by any other time history of Photography, it's a huge liability.

Second, with digital, with high mp, focus needs to be perfect. Any flaw will be magnified since people are pixel peeping more than ever, so unless it is perfect, forget it. Too much of a risk. At least with af points you can select 1 point and keep it on subject to eliminate equipment failure from the poss why your shot is OOF.
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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #96 on: July 31, 2011, 08:26:49 PM »
I haven't used an eye tracking EOS camera yet, but what I've read is that it tracks your eye to select an AF point.  For the EOS 3, 11 of the 45 points can be selected.  So in that sense it's really no different from using a control pad, stick, or wheel to manually select a point.  Depending on how you have the AF mode set you also should be able to consciously lock the AF point with a shutter half press.

I guess all those years playing FPS games on PC means that I have better peripheral vision than some people; I don't need to look at things directly to tell if the whole frame is decent.  When I'm shooting wildlife I am looking directly at them for any sign of movement or anything that could be interesting.  None of this really precludes people who work differently from using their cameras in the more basic fashion.

I'll grant that I don't think the eye tracking would work quite as well in AI Servo mode or when shooting sports.  In that case yes, you don't really want the AF point selection going haywire; nobody stares at just one point forever.

I'm not really swayed by a liability argument, and I'm not swayed by a "it has to be perfect or else it can't be used' argument either.  I think Canon just wants to save money on a feature that could easily just be disabled so it is no problem for folks who won't use it.  They were apparently making big strides from the EOS 5 to the EOS 3, and with some years of development I wonder if it could have gone further (and perhaps it has, in Canon's labs).  Really, if it is a problem to use it in AI Servo, I think it would be fairly simple to allow a custom function to have it enabled or disabled in that mode.

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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #97 on: August 01, 2011, 10:18:18 AM »
I'm not really swayed by a liability argument, and I'm not swayed by a "it has to be perfect or else it can't be used' argument either.  I think Canon just wants to save money on a feature that could easily just be disabled so it is no problem for folks who won't use it.  They were apparently making big strides from the EOS 5 to the EOS 3, and with some years of development I wonder if it could have gone further (and perhaps it has, in Canon's labs).  Really, if it is a problem to use it in AI Servo, I think it would be fairly simple to allow a custom function to have it enabled or disabled in that mode.

Fair enough, but by liability, i'm getting at it could be a bad PR hence liability in regards to corporate image and so on and so forth.  It has to be nearly perfect because, lets face it, on the film cameras, the highest most pro's were willing to print on 35mm film was 8x10.  11x14 if using ISO 100 film or under because of grain and the picture really started falling apart and clients wouldn't buy it.  Pro's knew if they really wanted 11x14 or bigger, medium format was a must.  Focus on an 8x10 has to be good, but focus on a 11x14 or even 16x20 which the 5d mark II can pump out natively without interpolation (almost) ANY mistake in focus will be magnified let alone those pixel peepers who would tear apart the focusing system on the internet.  You remember all the noise when the 7D first came out with the 19pt focus system... people complaining how it wasn't as good as advertised on fast action... Those complaints quietly died away but to come out with this system which undoubtedly would be dubbed as Canon's best/fastest/most accurate/throw-in-adjective AF Ever, they would have to get it perfect on the flagships in order to keep good PR... Let anyone forget what happened to what was it, the 1d 3 focus system that was shakey and needed to be fixed post release.  That brought Canon bad PR and they dont want a repeat by hastily releasing this.

Kinda like apple who claims they wont release a product unless it's "perfect" or "done right", Canon wouldn't/shouldn't release this system until they know beyond a shadow of a doubt it is nearly perfect. 
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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #97 on: August 01, 2011, 10:18:18 AM »