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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2011, 12:42:17 PM »
I just hope the 1Ds Mark IV will be a PRO photo-camera  not a video-toy

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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2011, 01:01:33 PM »
I just hope the 1Ds Mark IV will be a PRO photo-camera  not a video-toy

Although I only shoot stills, I also recognize that video has become a big part of professional photographers work.  PJ's, and  wedding photographers use video because the customers demand it.  Camera makers provide it because customers demand it.  Documentary makers, commercial photography, television, and even feature films now use HDDSLRS, its hardly a toy, its a billion dollar industry.

I find that I do not have to use video if I do not want to, and my camera makes still photos just fine.

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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2011, 01:08:31 PM »
I hope this sources is not really a CR2 source otherwise Canon sounds to be in deep trouble.
Options #1 is just dumb (unless it is just being explained poorly, which may be the case). The video special option might do well, although it would now be arriving a bit late but for the stills plus video shooter the split sounds pretty horrendous. Option #2 sounds nice (if it also has advanced video).

The talk that the next 1 series won't advance video much is frightening. Does that mean still no Digic V for it? Or Digic V is still too slow to even do properly downsampling for video? Are they still to scared or incompetent to add basic things like even hackers with no source code added to 5D2 video?? Some potentially scary implications here and will their foot dragging and failure to see the big picture they are pretty much going to be have spoiled their chances here and quickly fall back to being irrelevant in the video world at this rate.

Hopefully much of this is really CR0 or just lost in translation. But some of the insanely arrogant things that some in Canon management said, I believe at some UK show, a few years ago certainly gives one pause as to whether they have a clue up top (we are years and years ahead of Nikon for FF and can sit on our throne and watch and laugh.... and oops boom the D700 and such arrive like just months later hah; not evening thinking ot put in manual controls for video for the 5D2 with the initial firmware, still refusing to outline histogram so you can see it when shooting outside under the sun, etc.). Granted they have done lots of great stuff too and certainly Nikon had been way behind in all ways for some time but....

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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2011, 01:12:50 PM »
I just hope the 1Ds Mark IV will be a PRO photo-camera  not a video-toy

Although I only shoot stills, I also recognize that video has become a big part of professional photographers work.  PJ's, and  wedding photographers use video because the customers demand it.  Camera makers provide it because customers demand it.  Documentary makers, commercial photography, television, and even feature films now use HDDSLRS, its hardly a toy, its a billion dollar industry.

I find that I do not have to use video if I do not want to, and my camera makes still photos just fine.

No, I agree with polpaulin, above.

I'm a stills-only photographer, and if I drop £2500 to £3000 of my hard-earned/ill-gotten on a 5D3, I'd prefer most of that money to go into stills-photography-performance-and-spec, not video-tomfoolery.

I don't wanna be buying a camera where £1500 of its price goes into amortising the R&D spent on developing the video features.

I want it to be mainly a stills camera, and I want Canon to concentrate on stills performance. ISO performance, mainly, given that its MPix count will be better than the 18MPix of my current 7D. I want it to be a "Prince Of Darkness".

I don't want the money I spend on it being "diluted" on video features I won't use.


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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2011, 02:00:09 PM »
yep iagree i have no interest in the video aspect of things i want it to be a superb stills camera if they throw in video thats a bonus but i will rarely use it if at all and i want a 5d mk3 this year canon please i wanna treat myself for xmas :D

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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2011, 02:14:39 PM »
As a video guy, I want to 5D to be SPLIT into 2 cameras with one that is optimized for video. One of the main reasons for the 5D2 huge success was video, and Canon knows that. It's very obvious from Canonrumors.com, that you cannot make both camps happy with one camera.

Personally, after using the DSLRs I now prefer the form factor over traditional video cameras. The DSLRs are small and so easy to use and are great for stealth shots. Going back to a bulky camcorder would be a real drag.

But I would be happy if they release a Video Camera also (full frame preferably). Or just an entirely new video oriented DSLR.

I hope Canon does something quick in the video department. They are seriously falling behind Sony and Panasonic, and with Nikon set to release some new cameras, Canon is looking really dated. Sony especially, is really tempting lately and once people switch it's hard to go back, so Canon needs to act SOONER than later. The only thing Canon video has going for it at this moment are the lenses. The bodies are basically a relic from another era at this point.

DP Philip Bloom wrote a great article on the need for Canon to act NOW, or risk losing serious market share in the video world because so much is starting to happen in that arena. A good read.

http://philipbloom.net/2011/07/21/the-state-of-play/

5D3 with video by next summer will be too late for a lot of people who will have switched to Sony or Panny by then.

In terms of video, I really agree with what LetTheRightLensIn said above. Canon management is really fumbling it just looks like they are dragging their feet when they need to make forward looking, decisive decision instead of the half-ass measures they been doing the last few years, mostly in regards to video. I'm sure they are the biggest camera company in the world, but that's only because they have the biggest name which they are living off of. Their Camera Bodies certainly are NO longer the best. for either stills or video.
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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2011, 02:15:32 PM »
I just hope the 1Ds Mark IV will be a PRO photo-camera  not a video-toy

Although I only shoot stills, I also recognize that video has become a big part of professional photographers work.  PJ's, and  wedding photographers use video because the customers demand it.  Camera makers provide it because customers demand it.  Documentary makers, commercial photography, television, and even feature films now use HDDSLRS, its hardly a toy, its a billion dollar industry.

I find that I do not have to use video if I do not want to, and my camera makes still photos just fine.

No, I agree with polpaulin, above.

I'm a stills-only photographer, and if I drop £2500 to £3000 of my hard-earned/ill-gotten on a 5D3, I'd prefer most of that money to go into stills-photography-performance-and-spec, not video-tomfoolery.

I don't wanna be buying a camera where £1500 of its price goes into amortising the R&D spent on developing the video features.

I want it to be mainly a stills camera, and I want Canon to concentrate on stills performance. ISO performance, mainly, given that its MPix count will be better than the 18MPix of my current 7D. I want it to be a "Prince Of Darkness".

I don't want the money I spend on it being "diluted" on video features I won't use.


Martin

I believe you are going overboard about how much extra cost the video adds.

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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2011, 02:15:32 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2011, 02:17:44 PM »
As a video guy, I want to 5D to be SPLIT into 2 cameras with one that is optimized for video. One of the main reasons for the 5D2 huge success was video, and Canon knows that. It's very obvious from Canonrumors.com, that you cannot make both camps happy with one camera.

Personally, after using the DSLRs I now prefer the form factor over traditional video cameras. The DSLRs are small and so easy to use and are great for stealth shots. Going back to a bulky camcorder would be a real drag.

But I would be happy if they release a Video Camera also (full frame preferably).

I hope Canon does something quick in the video department. They are seriously falling behind Sony and Panasonic, and with Nikon set to release some new cameras, Canon is looking really dated. Sony especially, is really tempting lately and once people switch it's hard to go back, so Canon needs to act SOONER than later. The only thing Canon video has going for it at this moment are the lenses. The bodies are basically a relic from another era at this point.

DP Philip Bloom wrote a great article on the need for Canon to act NOW, or risk losing serious market share in the video world because so much is starting to happen in that arena. A good read.

http://philipbloom.net/2011/07/21/the-state-of-play/

5D3 with video by next summer will be too late for a lot of people who will have switched to Sony or Panny by then.


Exactly they have already just about blown it.

That said I don't want some special camera that has all the video features and just dregs tossed into the rest. Give them all the same quality and features. If you want to make one with special video optimized form factor and attachments, sure, but don't crippled the quality and controls in the more still form factored models otherwise their still form factor bodies will look pretty sad.

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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2011, 02:21:06 PM »
A camera for 2012? Apparently the 5D Mark III is not yet a finalized product and there are still 2 decisions to be made before the product is ready for consumption.

1) Split the 5D line into a still camera and an advanced video feature camera.
2) A camera between the 5D Mark III and 1D

It was also mentioned the still and video teams within Canon is very much separate and there is no overlap between the two departments. There could be some internal shakeup soon in that regard.

Sometimes I wonder how much rumours like this are targeted at either other camera manufacturers or consumers that are currently loyal to other brands...

I read the above as meaning that they are prepared to pursue two different strategies with the follow up camera to the 5D Mark2 and that it could well be what Nikon/Sony do in the coming months (and the sales figures, press, web excitement, etc) that decide it for them.

Point (2) is quite interesting because it suggests that there is going to be quite a significant price "hole" between the 5D Mark2 and the new 1D-something. A hole where the 1D (APS-H) camera was. That's not saying that the new 1D-something will be $8000 or $9000, but even at $6000, it's a big gap down to $2500. A gap where you can find cameras from Canon's competitors with appropriate feature sets.

Now if they're currently able to pursue either of the above strategies, what if they chose to pursue *both*?

What if they decide that it is better not to make a decision and let the products compete with each other as well as with other brands?

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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2011, 02:30:10 PM »
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DP Philip Bloom wrote a great article on the need for Canon to act NOW, or risk losing serious market share in the video world because so much is starting to happen in that arena. A good read.

http://philipbloom.net/2011/07/21/the-state-of-play/

5D3 with video by next summer will be too late for a lot of people who will have switched to Sony or Panny by then.


Please provide quotes, justification, etc, for your last sentence.

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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2011, 02:33:31 PM »
I think they should just release a video-centric Full Frame DSLR around the SAME time as the next 1DS, hopefully in September or October.

For stills, the 5D2 is still pretty good. For video, Canon really needs some new life and SOON, and by releasing a video DSLR it would re-assure the video people who heavily invested in Canon lenses, that they made the right choice, which has been seriously questioned in the last year with Canon's lack of initiative.

A video DSLR or camcorder by October would solve that. I personally would prefer a DSLR over a camcorder just because I now prefer the form factor.
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2011, 02:33:59 PM »
Please provide quotes, justification, etc, for your last sentence.

Wait, wait...you were expecting something other than an opinion passed off as factual?  Silly dilbert...   :P
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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2011, 02:39:40 PM »
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DP Philip Bloom wrote a great article on the need for Canon to act NOW, or risk losing serious market share in the video world because so much is starting to happen in that arena. A good read.

http://philipbloom.net/2011/07/21/the-state-of-play/

5D3 with video by next summer will be too late for a lot of people who will have switched to Sony or Panny by then.


Please provide quotes, justification, etc, for your last sentence.



Dilbert, just READ the article and all the comments, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to see the writing is on the wall for Canon in regards to video. For stills Canon will reign supreme but video is in a flux. I'd like to hope that Canon would want to capitalized on other markets, but it just doesn't seem like it.

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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2011, 02:43:23 PM »
Wait, wait...you were expecting something other than an opinion passed off as factual?  Silly dilbert...   :P

Maybe one person's opinion is an opinion, but if two people have the same opinion, then it's fact. Especially if one of them is a blogger.  Because we know all of their information is always factual, right?
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Re: No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2011, 02:49:28 PM »
I just hope the 1Ds Mark IV will be a PRO photo-camera  not a video-toy

Although I only shoot stills, I also recognize that video has become a big part of professional photographers work.  PJ's, and  wedding photographers use video because the customers demand it.  Camera makers provide it because customers demand it.  Documentary makers, commercial photography, television, and even feature films now use HDDSLRS, its hardly a toy, its a billion dollar industry.

I find that I do not have to use video if I do not want to, and my camera makes still photos just fine.

No, I agree with polpaulin, above.

I'm a stills-only photographer, and if I drop £2500 to £3000 of my hard-earned/ill-gotten on a 5D3, I'd prefer most of that money to go into stills-photography-performance-and-spec, not video-tomfoolery.

I don't wanna be buying a camera where £1500 of its price goes into amortising the R&D spent on developing the video features.

I want it to be mainly a stills camera, and I want Canon to concentrate on stills performance. ISO performance, mainly, given that its MPix count will be better than the 18MPix of my current 7D. I want it to be a "Prince Of Darkness".

I don't want the money I spend on it being "diluted" on video features I won't use.


Martin

I do not think it is as simple as that. People buying the 5D for the video features are also financing the stills features. So the fact might actually be that they can offer the total package for less money than if they had to develop two specialised cameras (chips, sensors, bodies, software).

Also, unless  Canon is dumb the R&D they spend in developing video features in sensors, chipsets and software will be amortised over many models and generations and since they will have to develop video technology anyways it will not cost that much to add it to the 5D.

Personally I hope for a 5D mkIII that will have faster FPS, better auto focus and slightly improved video.


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