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eml58

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Re: Which supertele?
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2013, 03:48:47 AM »
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I still disagree and have presented the arguments, and will say no more.

Regarding lenses, the 500mm f/4 IS is a wonderful lens, but when comparing fine details of lenses, it depends what series they are. The series II lenses are even better than the I. So:

500mm IS L vs 500mm II
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=117&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=745&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

The series II has a significant edge, and weighs 3190g vs 3870 (vs 2350 for the 300), as well as having 2 stops more IS.

500mm IS L vs 300mm II + 1.4xTC

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=117&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=739&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=1&APIComp=0
The 420 combo is at least as sharp, and looks slightly sharper.

500mm IS L vs 300mm II + 1.4xTC
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=117&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=739&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=2

There is not much difference in IQ, but the 600 combo has greater reach, weighs much less, and has 4 stops IS. On the other hand, a series II 500mm or 600mm will outperform the 300mm II plus extenders, have better weights but at a higher price.

So, you pays your money and takes your choice.

Thanks for the link to comparing the Great Whites.

I am still undecided which one (s) to get.

Currently have the 500F4 IS and have seriously considered the 200-400 (if it ever comes out) and a 600 II.  The problem is that 600 II is big and which makes carrying it on a plane and working with in a safari vehicle in Africa a royal PIA. 

The decision is further complicated by Canon dropping the APS-H cameras.  I still shoot 1DM4 on safari and for wildlife when I need reach but other 5DM3 is my goto body.  I'll be borrowing a 1Dx soon so if I loose the 1.3 crop from the APS-H sensor, I may need the extra reach.  I am not optimisitic about the 7D M2 - may be okay but the AF may not be as good as the 5DM3.  We will see if fall (maybe). 

A good buddy has the 400 II and recommends that (400 + 2x has more reach than 500 + 1.4x but according to TDP will be less sharp).  Of course the shorter Great Whites have a closer minimum focus distance which is always nice.

Bottom line: I think this will be a wait and see year for me.  See what Canon does, IF of the 7DM2, 200-400, possibly even new 100-400.  And of course save my pennies so that I can buy 2 (if I save hard) great whites next year.


I use the 600/f4 in Africa at least 2 to 3 times a year, along with the 400 & 300, all Version 2 Lenses, I generally shoot the 600 & 400 from a Wimberley ii Head set up on the RRS Safari Monopod Rig in Southern Africa areas & East Africa from a Beanbag (Different areas have different vehicle Configurations, as you may know), I carry the gear in a Gura Gear Bataflea 32L Back Pack, it's by far the best I've used & the only one that the 600 fits nicely into one side.

For absolute stellar sharpness, the 300f/2.8 V2 for me has been the winner, plus it's the most used Focal Length, but if your shooting say The Migration in Tanzania, or Open wilderness in Kenya, you need either the 600/f4, or the 300/400 with 1.4/2 Converters. Unfortunately until the 200-400 is released, we are stuck with carrying at least 2 of these Lenses to get the cover we need, I generally carry the 300/400, but swap to 300/600 for Tanzania & kenya. I think once the 200-400 is released, I'll Buy that & sell the 400, but it'll still be 2 Lenses, 300/200-400 or 200-400/600.
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Re: Which supertele?
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2013, 03:48:47 AM »

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Re: Which supertele?
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2013, 12:24:26 PM »
I found at least for soccer and football the improvements in the 1DX sensor outweighed the resolution loss.  Wildlife is another deal though, as I'm not familiar with focal lengths of 500 and 600mm.

when you say outweighed resolution loss, what ISO and how large do you print?

For football I've printed 50% crops at ISO 8000 at 8x10, ISO 1600 with 75% crop at 10x14.

Again though, I realize the FOV of a 500 and 600 is going to be quite different, but those shots beat my 1D4 by a long way.
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Re: Which supertele?
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2013, 05:42:27 PM »
I found at least for soccer and football the improvements in the 1DX sensor outweighed the resolution loss.  Wildlife is another deal though, as I'm not familiar with focal lengths of 500 and 600mm.

when you say outweighed resolution loss, what ISO and how large do you print?

For football I've printed 50% crops at ISO 8000 at 8x10, ISO 1600 with 75% crop at 10x14.

Again though, I realize the FOV of a 500 and 600 is going to be quite different, but those shots beat my 1D4 by a long way.

Thanks.  I'll be borrowing one ina few weeks from CPS and I'll be able to compare then.May upset my budget a bit, a whole bit.

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Re: Which supertele?
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2013, 05:42:27 PM »