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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« Reply #90 on: April 02, 2013, 05:11:15 PM »
More like a market for a re-badged 1200$ 5d2 performing camera that costs 2000$.  :P

Useable 12800 ISO is nothing to scoff at coming from a 5D2. The center AF point is fantastic in low light as well. If you need the low-light performance, the 6D is easily worth an extra $500 over the 5D2.

How do I know? I upgraded from a 5D2 to a 6D, and I will never go back!

Camera Performance is what this thread is about, Not IQ. My time with the 6D clearly demonstrated what the 6D really was, a Re-hashed 5d2 with marginally better IQ.

The 5d2's ability in low light is much lesser than the 6d.  If you are never in ISO 6400 and up situations there is no reason to choose a 6d over a 5d2, but if you shoot in low light the 6d is vastly improved over the 5d2.

I never said the 6D is a bad camera, I just simply stated its a bad value currently.

It's funny, because back in September everyone thought that price was a great price for a 5d2.  People were talking about it being a steal at $1700.  You recommended some guy buy one for $1650 off Craig's List.

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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« Reply #91 on: April 02, 2013, 05:29:22 PM »
More like a market for a re-badged 1200$ 5d2 performing camera that costs 2000$.  :P

Useable 12800 ISO is nothing to scoff at coming from a 5D2. The center AF point is fantastic in low light as well. If you need the low-light performance, the 6D is easily worth an extra $500 over the 5D2.

How do I know? I upgraded from a 5D2 to a 6D, and I will never go back!

Camera Performance is what this thread is about, Not IQ. My time with the 6D clearly demonstrated what the 6D really was, a Re-hashed 5d2 with marginally better IQ.

The 5d2's ability in low light is much lesser than the 6d.  If you are never in ISO 6400 and up situations there is no reason to choose a 6d over a 5d2, but if you shoot in low light the 6d is vastly improved over the 5d2.

I never said the 6D is a bad camera, I just simply stated its a bad value currently.

It's funny, because back in September everyone thought that price was a great price for a 5d2.  People were talking about it being a steal at $1700.  You recommended some guy buy one for $1650 off Craig's List.

It was a good deal at the time, now I would pay 1200-1400$ for a 5D2. It's the same good 'ol 5D2. Why pay 2000$ for 6D for what essentially is a 5D2?

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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« Reply #92 on: April 02, 2013, 05:41:34 PM »
More like a market for a re-badged 1200$ 5d2 performing camera that costs 2000$.  :P

Useable 12800 ISO is nothing to scoff at coming from a 5D2. The center AF point is fantastic in low light as well. If you need the low-light performance, the 6D is easily worth an extra $500 over the 5D2.

How do I know? I upgraded from a 5D2 to a 6D, and I will never go back!

Camera Performance is what this thread is about, Not IQ. My time with the 6D clearly demonstrated what the 6D really was, a Re-hashed 5d2 with marginally better IQ.

The 5d2's ability in low light is much lesser than the 6d.  If you are never in ISO 6400 and up situations there is no reason to choose a 6d over a 5d2, but if you shoot in low light the 6d is vastly improved over the 5d2.

I never said the 6D is a bad camera, I just simply stated its a bad value currently.

It's funny, because back in September everyone thought that price was a great price for a 5d2.  People were talking about it being a steal at $1700.  You recommended some guy buy one for $1650 off Craig's List.

It was a good deal at the time, now I would pay 1200-1400$ for a 5D2. It's the same good 'ol 5D2. Why pay 2000$ for 6D for what essentially is a 5D2?

Because it isn't!  $1400 for a body that is only good up to ISO 3200, vs $2000 for a body that can produce clean files up to ISO 25,600????  That means a lot if you shoot in low light often
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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« Reply #93 on: April 02, 2013, 05:44:51 PM »
More like a market for a re-badged 1200$ 5d2 performing camera that costs 2000$.  :P

Useable 12800 ISO is nothing to scoff at coming from a 5D2. The center AF point is fantastic in low light as well. If you need the low-light performance, the 6D is easily worth an extra $500 over the 5D2.

How do I know? I upgraded from a 5D2 to a 6D, and I will never go back!

Camera Performance is what this thread is about, Not IQ. My time with the 6D clearly demonstrated what the 6D really was, a Re-hashed 5d2 with marginally better IQ.

The 5d2's ability in low light is much lesser than the 6d.  If you are never in ISO 6400 and up situations there is no reason to choose a 6d over a 5d2, but if you shoot in low light the 6d is vastly improved over the 5d2.

I never said the 6D is a bad camera, I just simply stated its a bad value currently.

It's funny, because back in September everyone thought that price was a great price for a 5d2.  People were talking about it being a steal at $1700.  You recommended some guy buy one for $1650 off Craig's List.

It was a good deal at the time, now I would pay 1200-1400$ for a 5D2. It's the same good 'ol 5D2. Why pay 2000$ for 6D for what essentially is a 5D2?

Because it isn't!  $1400 for a body that is only good up to ISO 3200, vs $2000 for a body that can produce clean files up to ISO 25,600????  That means a lot if you shoot in low light often

Again, if we're going to quibble over numbers at least quote the right ones.  It's under $1800 on Amazon, and has been that for over a month.

I like my 6D and all, but calling it clean at 25.6k is a stretch.

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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« Reply #94 on: April 02, 2013, 05:49:58 PM »
More like a market for a re-badged 1200$ 5d2 performing camera that costs 2000$.  :P

Useable 12800 ISO is nothing to scoff at coming from a 5D2. The center AF point is fantastic in low light as well. If you need the low-light performance, the 6D is easily worth an extra $500 over the 5D2.

How do I know? I upgraded from a 5D2 to a 6D, and I will never go back!

Camera Performance is what this thread is about, Not IQ. My time with the 6D clearly demonstrated what the 6D really was, a Re-hashed 5d2 with marginally better IQ.

The 5d2's ability in low light is much lesser than the 6d.  If you are never in ISO 6400 and up situations there is no reason to choose a 6d over a 5d2, but if you shoot in low light the 6d is vastly improved over the 5d2.

I never said the 6D is a bad camera, I just simply stated its a bad value currently.

It's funny, because back in September everyone thought that price was a great price for a 5d2.  People were talking about it being a steal at $1700.  You recommended some guy buy one for $1650 off Craig's List.

It was a good deal at the time, now I would pay 1200-1400$ for a 5D2. It's the same good 'ol 5D2. Why pay 2000$ for 6D for what essentially is a 5D2?

Because it isn't!  $1400 for a body that is only good up to ISO 3200, vs $2000 for a body that can produce clean files up to ISO 25,600????  That means a lot if you shoot in low light often

Again, if we're going to quibble over numbers at least quote the right ones.  It's under $1800 on Amazon, and has been that for over a month.

I like my 6D and all, but calling it clean at 25.6k is a stretch.

Ok, clean maybe not...usable though, yes...It is clean as hell though at 6400, and pretty damn good up through to 12,800.  Either way, still a step up from the 5d2.
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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« Reply #95 on: April 02, 2013, 05:58:55 PM »
2000$ for 6D or 2375$ for a Refurbed MK3? You all are quibbling for the 500$ difference from the 5D2 to the 6D, which is minimal gains, while from the 6D to the 5D3 is day-night difference.  ???

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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« Reply #96 on: April 02, 2013, 06:14:49 PM »
2000$ for 6D or 2375$ for a Refurbed MK3? You all are quibbling for the 500$ difference from the 5D2 to the 6D, which is minimal gains, while from the 6D to the 5D3 is day-night difference.  ???

agreed...5d3 is much better than the 6d.  But, finding one at $2400 is a bit more difficult.  Yes they do pop up (never when I actually have the $$$ to snag one!!!!), but it's not like refurb mk3's are flooding the market.  They pop up and then they're gone real quick.  I see more frequently used ones starting at $2750.  B&H is still doing a deal on the 6d --- 6d +16 gig sd card + a little shoulder bag for $1899.  So we're more realistically talking about a $1000 difference.  And if we're talking brand new - $3150. 

All of this is very subjective --- what are your needs?  Everyones are different.  I have a mk3 and need a backup body.  The 6d has many good selling points to me, unless it's timed right and I can find a refurb mk3.  But in regards to that, I want this decision to be made by mid may.  My side note is that I am trying to finance my own wedding, and yeah, that extra $1000 may make a big difference for me (and yeah, there are other buying decisions too, I have some glass in mind!).

Either way, I still feel that the 6d is better value than the mk2
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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« Reply #97 on: April 02, 2013, 06:15:34 PM »
I'd pay $1900 for a brand new 6D rather than $2300 for a refurb 5DIII.

In fact, I did...

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« Reply #98 on: April 02, 2013, 07:23:58 PM »
I considered the 6D briefly. I have shot weddings for years with my 1dm3 and 5dc. Guess what if i took 200 images during a 10hr wedding i was surprised. The 1dm3 was my go to. There are too many situations where tracking and focus speed are absolutely necessary shooting weddings. I'd rather have the confidence i get the shot and in focus. Not to say the 5dc didn't take absolutely stellar images, its more that I didn't trust it or its surrounding points. Even though the images would be even better on the 6d, i still wouldn't have confidence in it so i decided to take a pass on it. Really i am holding out for a 7D2. If only it were available now like the 5dm3 was this time last year id have it now. I decided to get a 7d in the mean time. Now i won't worry about focus or taking many images with that camera in a wedding. I know its not a king in low light but i can work with it.
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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« Reply #99 on: April 02, 2013, 08:25:24 PM »
As I said in my post, I needed to buy a 24-105.  It's a matter of perspective, but in my situation it was another $1000 to add to the cost if I was to buy new.

24-105L's are dime a dozen now. Many people are stripping the kit lenses out and selling them second hand for 750-850$ brand new in box. Even the 2350$ kit from amazon, when selling the 24-105L for the market price, at best its 1600$ for the body, Minus the effort and time to sell the kit lens.

While If you purchase the 5D3, sure its a few more dollars but your getting alot more camera for not alot more monies. If you really want value per $$$, a used 5D2 is unbeatable. So, where does the 6D fall in? A market where users who NEED Wifi Controls and GPS built in camera. (Considering Eye-fi cards are a good compromise but don't allow control)

You situation also assumes that the person must buy a kit. What if they don't want the kit lens?  :P

I'm not knocking any 6D users, I just feel canon didn't do it justice.

I sold my 24-105 brand new $900

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« Reply #100 on: April 02, 2013, 08:29:25 PM »
So, where does the 6D fall in? A market where users who NEED Wifi Controls and GPS built in camera. (Considering Eye-fi cards are a good compromise but don't allow control)

A market for users who want a $1600 camera, not a $2400 camera.


More like a market for a re-badged 1200$ 5d2 performing camera that costs 2000$.  :P

I had all three: 5d mk ii, mk iii and 6D
Difference btw. mk III and 6D is lesser than difference between 6D and mk II, for my type of use.

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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« Reply #101 on: April 02, 2013, 10:39:36 PM »
2000$ for 6D or 2375$ for a Refurbed MK3? You all are quibbling for the 500$ difference from the 5D2 to the 6D, which is minimal gains, while from the 6D to the 5D3 is day-night difference.  ???

Seriously man, I know you're completely prejudice against the 6D and too stubborn to admit you're wrong, but you're posts might hold more merit if you didn't shuffle around the numbers to try to support your points.

It's an opinion based on a 6D rental and the numbers I've already posted. Here's a snap from CL for that lens price.

If a friend said, "I'm going FF soon and ill be needing some glass too" I wouldn't recommend a 6D at the moment, perhaps if it was 1500$ body only brand new, but that make the excellent 5d2 around 1000-1200 at that point.

It should have had all the points cross type. Even the rebel has that now.

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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« Reply #102 on: April 03, 2013, 01:53:54 AM »
no sync port - this would be a deal breaker if it were to be my main body.

What's wrong with a hotshoe pc-sync adapter?

read/write speeds - SD is slow!!!!!  This may be the back breaker for me with it.

You have to use a fast/new(!) uhs-1 card, then this should be absolutely no issue?

battery life - battery does drain quite fast when wifi is enabled (note, I have no use for gps so i never tried using that).  Battery life is fine without using wifi, but, with that on be careful!

Yes, known issue, time for a battery grip... with the added weight & bulk. On the bright side: gps doesn't seem to drain as much power as I first suspected, so that's actually usable if you need it.

Why would anyone buy a 6D when a refurb 5D3 is only a few bucks more?

Because in Germany there are only new cameras, and the price difference (esp. given the current € crisis): 5d3 €2800 vs. 6d €1800, the latter dropping in price while the 5d3 staying more or less stable.

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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« Reply #103 on: April 03, 2013, 10:18:05 AM »
no sync port - this would be a deal breaker if it were to be my main body.

What's wrong with a hotshoe pc-sync adapter?

nothing wrong with it otherthan i didn't kow about it until you brought it up and figured best to leave an unknown thing out of a review

read/write speeds - SD is slow!!!!!  This may be the back breaker for me with it.


You have to use a fast/new(!) uhs-1 card, then this should be absolutely no issue?

the cards i was using were 30 mb/s.  Maybe its because I am used to the speed of CF cards

battery life - battery does drain quite fast when wifi is enabled (note, I have no use for gps so i never tried using that).  Battery life is fine without using wifi, but, with that on be careful!

Yes, known issue, time for a battery grip... with the added weight & bulk. On the bright side: gps doesn't seem to drain as much power as I first suspected, so that's actually usable if you need it.

Luckily, it doesn't seem to want to do what i wanted to do with it via the wifi (set it up behind the alter, or other hard to get to areas and trigger it from my phone, but once both phone and cam have been inactive for 5 minutes it can be a pain in the ass to get phone and camera to reconnect...not something I want to do at a wedding.  AS to grips... I love using grips, but, for me at least part of the idea was to keep the weight down, slapping a grip on the 6d would kind of defeat that purpose

Why would anyone buy a 6D when a refurb 5D3 is only a few bucks more?

Because in Germany there are only new cameras, and the price difference (esp. given the current € crisis): 5d3 €2800 vs. 6d €1800, the latter dropping in price while the 5d3 staying more or less stable.
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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
« Reply #104 on: April 03, 2013, 11:15:15 AM »
2000$ for 6D or 2375$ for a Refurbed MK3? You all are quibbling for the 500$ difference from the 5D2 to the 6D, which is minimal gains, while from the 6D to the 5D3 is day-night difference.  ???

Seriously man, I know you're completely prejudice against the 6D and too stubborn to admit you're wrong, but you're posts might hold more merit if you didn't shuffle around the numbers to try to support your points.

It's an opinion based on a 6D rental and the numbers I've already posted. Here's a snap from CL for that lens price.

If a friend said, "I'm going FF soon and ill be needing some glass too" I wouldn't recommend a 6D at the moment, perhaps if it was 1500$ body only brand new, but that make the excellent 5d2 around 1000-1200 at that point.

It should have had all the points cross type. Even the rebel has that now.

What I love about this is that you tell us not to quibble over $500 (for your fabled is available anywhere refurb 5d3 deal), while a 6d can be had for just shy of $1800.  Back in january, not to far in the past, $1900 was considered a good price for a 5d2!!!!  So with that said, how could you NOT recommend the 6d????

I tried that with him a page back.  He's just going to toss the price of a used 5d2 back at you, which seems to get $200 lower every time he reposts the price.

Based on the logic above.  Canon essentially rebranded the 5d2, added in some extra features and minor performance enhancements, and offered it for less.  Worst camera eva!

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Re: 6D Autofocus not impressive
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