6D Autofocus not impressive

[RLPhoto]

2000$ for 6D or 2375$ for a Refurbed MK3? You all are quibbling for the 500$ difference from the 5D2 to the 6D, which is minimal gains, while from the 6D to the 5D3 is day-night difference. 

Seriously man, I know you're completely prejudice against the 6D and too stubborn to admit you're wrong, but you're posts might hold more merit if you didn't shuffle around the numbers to try to support your points.

It's an opinion based on a 6D rental and the numbers I've already posted. Here's a snap from CL for that lens price.

If a friend said, "I'm going FF soon and ill be needing some glass too" I wouldn't recommend a 6D at the moment, perhaps if it was 1500$ body only brand new, but that make the excellent 5d2 around 1000-1200 at that point.

It should have had all the points cross type. Even the rebel has that now.

What I love about this is that you tell us not to quibble over $500 (for your fabled is available anywhere refurb 5d3 deal), while a 6d can be had for just shy of $1800.  Back in january, not to far in the past, $1900 was considered a good price for a 5d2!!!!  So with that said, how could you NOT recommend the 6d?

Because a 6D is a rebranded 5D2 with fluff performance wise. Why pay more for what essentially is a 5D2? Bad value.

[Skirball]

2000$ for 6D or 2375$ for a Refurbed MK3? You all are quibbling for the 500$ difference from the 5D2 to the 6D, which is minimal gains, while from the 6D to the 5D3 is day-night difference. 

Seriously man, I know you're completely prejudice against the 6D and too stubborn to admit you're wrong, but you're posts might hold more merit if you didn't shuffle around the numbers to try to support your points.

It's an opinion based on a 6D rental and the numbers I've already posted. Here's a snap from CL for that lens price.

If a friend said, "I'm going FF soon and ill be needing some glass too" I wouldn't recommend a 6D at the moment, perhaps if it was 1500$ body only brand new, but that make the excellent 5d2 around 1000-1200 at that point.

It should have had all the points cross type. Even the rebel has that now.

What I love about this is that you tell us not to quibble over $500 (for your fabled is available anywhere refurb 5d3 deal), while a 6d can be had for just shy of $1800.  Back in january, not to far in the past, $1900 was considered a good price for a 5d2!!!!  So with that said, how could you NOT recommend the 6d?

Because a 6D is a rebranded 5D2 with fluff performance wise. Why pay more for what essentially is a 5D2? Bad value.

Because I don't want to buy used, and I like some of the fluff.    It wasn't a bad value when that was the only option, now it's slightly better and cheaper, and it (and the 5D3) created a large used market of 5d2.  Sounds like a win all around to me.

[RLPhoto]

2000$ for 6D or 2375$ for a Refurbed MK3? You all are quibbling for the 500$ difference from the 5D2 to the 6D, which is minimal gains, while from the 6D to the 5D3 is day-night difference. 

Seriously man, I know you're completely prejudice against the 6D and too stubborn to admit you're wrong, but you're posts might hold more merit if you didn't shuffle around the numbers to try to support your points.

It's an opinion based on a 6D rental and the numbers I've already posted. Here's a snap from CL for that lens price.

If a friend said, "I'm going FF soon and ill be needing some glass too" I wouldn't recommend a 6D at the moment, perhaps if it was 1500$ body only brand new, but that make the excellent 5d2 around 1000-1200 at that point.

It should have had all the points cross type. Even the rebel has that now.

What I love about this is that you tell us not to quibble over $500 (for your fabled is available anywhere refurb 5d3 deal), while a 6d can be had for just shy of $1800.  Back in january, not to far in the past, $1900 was considered a good price for a 5d2!!!!  So with that said, how could you NOT recommend the 6d?

Because a 6D is a rebranded 5D2 with fluff performance wise. Why pay more for what essentially is a 5D2? Bad value.

Because I don't want to buy used, and I like some of the fluff.    It wasn't a bad value when that was the only option, now it's slightly better and cheaper, and it (and the 5D3) created a large used market of 5d2.  Sounds like a win all around to me.

You like some of the fluff, don't you recall one of the reasons I said a user would want a 6D? Are you understanding now?

[Sporgon]

2000$ for 6D or 2375$ for a Refurbed MK3? You all are quibbling for the 500$ difference from the 5D2 to the 6D, which is minimal gains, while from the 6D to the 5D3 is day-night difference. 

Seriously man, I know you're completely prejudice against the 6D and too stubborn to admit you're wrong, but you're posts might hold more merit if you didn't shuffle around the numbers to try to support your points.

It's an opinion based on a 6D rental and the numbers I've already posted. Here's a snap from CL for that lens price.

If a friend said, "I'm going FF soon and ill be needing some glass too" I wouldn't recommend a 6D at the moment, perhaps if it was 1500$ body only brand new, but that make the excellent 5d2 around 1000-1200 at that point.

It should have had all the points cross type. Even the rebel has that now.

What I love about this is that you tell us not to quibble over $500 (for your fabled is available anywhere refurb 5d3 deal), while a 6d can be had for just shy of $1800.  Back in january, not to far in the past, $1900 was considered a good price for a 5d2!!!!  So with that said, how could you NOT recommend the 6d?

Because a 6D is a rebranded 5D2 with fluff performance wise. Why pay more for what essentially is a 5D2? Bad value.

Just out of curiosity RLPhoto old chap, and asking without any sarcasm - I appreciate your work - how would you have spec'd a cheaper FF camera that was to sit below the 5D mk3 ?

[RLPhoto]

Give it atleast 60D 9 point all crosstype AF. A serious upgrade from the 5D2/5Dc/20D AF performance. That would have justified the price increase over the already decent 5D2.

It seems I stirred the pot with a pretty straightforward simplified opinion.

[Chuck Alaimo]

Because a 6D is a rebranded 5D2 with fluff performance wise. Why pay more for what essentially is a 5D2? Bad value.

Feel like I'm beating a dead horse here...I do not consider the ISO performance to be fluff.  Why would I waste $1400 on a body that would only be used in outdoor ceremonies?  A 6d is much more versatile than the 5d2 if you work in low light a lot. 

[pdirestajr]

Give it atleast 60D 9 point all crosstype AF. A serious upgrade from the 5D2/5Dc/20D AF performance. That would have justified the price increase over the already decent 5D2.

It seems I stirred the pot with a pretty straightforward simplified opinion.

It may look like a price increase now. But it is definitely a MUCH cheaper than the 5DII when comparing launch prices. In a year you'll be able to grab it on Canon's refurb store during one of their sales for like 1200. Then in a few years when the price drops a few hundo, it will trade close to what the 7D refurbs go for.

[RLPhoto]

Because a 6D is a rebranded 5D2 with fluff performance wise. Why pay more for what essentially is a 5D2? Bad value.

Feel like I'm beating a dead horse here...I do not consider the ISO performance to be fluff.  Why would I waste $1400 on a body that would only be used in outdoor ceremonies?  A 6d is much more versatile than the 5d2 if you work in low light a lot.

The 5D2 was good in low-light from 3200-6400, and still is now. Not saying the 6D isn't better but once you downsize the NR-files to around 12mp print sizes, Its pretty close.

http://www.pixel-peeper.com/cameras/?camera=1113&perpage=12&iso_min=3200&iso_max=6400&exp_min=none&exp_max=none&res=3&digicam=0

Feel free to check those out. Plus, 6D's AF perfomance is nearly identical to the 5d2

[neuroanatomist]

Why an 'all-new' AF sensor for the 6D?  Here's my (admittedly cynical) hypothesis: the sensor was developed for the 5DIII - it's a nice, Canon-style incremental improvement in spec (good low light and 2 more selectable points, since no one counted the 6 invisible points anyway).  Various reasons, including the decision to offer three FF bodies at different price points and competitive intelligence, pushed Canon to use the 1D X's sensor in the 5DIII, leaving this one for the 6D.

[Chuck Alaimo]

Because a 6D is a rebranded 5D2 with fluff performance wise. Why pay more for what essentially is a 5D2? Bad value.

Feel like I'm beating a dead horse here...I do not consider the ISO performance to be fluff.  Why would I waste $1400 on a body that would only be used in outdoor ceremonies?  A 6d is much more versatile than the 5d2 if you work in low light a lot.

The 5D2 was good in low-light from 3200-6400, and still is now. Not saying the 6D isn't better but once you downsize the NR-files to around 12mp print sizes, Its pretty close.

http://www.pixel-peeper.com/cameras/?camera=1113&perpage=12&iso_min=3200&iso_max=6400&exp_min=none&exp_max=none&res=3&digicam=0

Feel free to check those out. Plus, 6D's AF perfomance is nearly identical to the 5d2

I'd be on your bandwagon if the 6d capped out at 6400 and turned to mush above that.  But, the 6d can do quite well at 12,800...that to me is worth the extra $300, and that to me says its not just a rebranded mk2...not saying its a mind blowing upgrade...its incremental...but still an upgrade nonetheless. 

[jon_charron]

My Girlfriend paid $2329 for her 6D with 24-105 kit lens.  So figuring about $900 sale price for lens, that's only $1429 for the Canon 6D.  The GPS stays on even if the camera is turned off, so it's a bit dangerous to use IMO unless you want your battery to be drained accidentally.

As for the focus, I tried to take some surfing photos of my son yesterday, and the AF using AI Servo and the center point was horrible.  It would not lock on and allow me to fully press the shutter all the way for multiple shots.  I would get one shot, it would lag, then another one or two, then lag, etc.  It was quite annoying.  I'm coming from a 7D, so it is quite terrible.  I'll have to play with settings, but this camera seems useless for any kind of action right out of the box.

Personally, I would rather do without the wifi and GPS and have at least a 7D equivalent AF system.  The camera is far more expensive than the 7D even at launch, and the 7D is four years old.  There is no reason to cripple the camera with poor AF.  I'll try to adjust some settings and see what happens.

[rizenphoenix]

Why would anyone buy a 6D when a refurb 5D3 is only a few bucks more?

New 6D = $1760US
Refurbed 5D Mark iii = $2850US

That's about $950 dollars more then "a few bucks"

[J.R.]

Nah Marsu, you're just in complete denial, that's all.  Sell your 5D2 and come join us in the real world. 

Ok, you're really trolling, congratulations for reaching 300+ posts .. so that's that.

Btw I don't have a 5d2, after very, very long research I think the 6d has enough upgrades to justify the price difference and I don't absolutely need what was cut 5d2->6d.

Plenty have benefitted from your research on the 6D. BTW, I do hope you finally take the plunge and get it before Canon releases a 6D Mark II

[Chuck Alaimo]

Nah Marsu, you're just in complete denial, that's all.  Sell your 5D2 and come join us in the real world. 

Ok, you're really trolling, congratulations for reaching 300+ posts .. so that's that.

Btw I don't have a 5d2, after very, very long research I think the 6d has enough upgrades to justify the price difference and I don't absolutely need what was cut 5d2->6d.

Plenty have benefitted from your research on the 6D. BTW, I do hope you finally take the plunge and get it before Canon releases a 6D Mark II

Speaking of that...gotta wonder if the 6d will be like the other 'entry'  level canons ---rebels get refreshed yearly, so will the 6d get refreshed yearly?  bi-yearly?

[J.R.]

Nah Marsu, you're just in complete denial, that's all.  Sell your 5D2 and come join us in the real world. 

Ok, you're really trolling, congratulations for reaching 300+ posts .. so that's that.

Btw I don't have a 5d2, after very, very long research I think the 6d has enough upgrades to justify the price difference and I don't absolutely need what was cut 5d2->6d.

Plenty have benefitted from your research on the 6D. BTW, I do hope you finally take the plunge and get it before Canon releases a 6D Mark II

Speaking of that...gotta wonder if the 6d will be like the other 'entry'  level canons ---rebels get refreshed yearly, so will the 6d get refreshed yearly?  bi-yearly?

Canon could, in theory, massively improve this camera at zero cost. Whether their is a will to do it is another aspect altogether. I would surely hope that happens.