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50mm: Wich one?
« on: March 26, 2013, 01:14:45 PM »
hello to all!
I have the 50 1.8 and I am considering an upgrade to the 1.4 version.
Can you give me some examples in which one is better than the other? (IQ, not USM, built, etc)

Version 1.4 is sharper? Bokeh?

Thanks a lot!
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50mm: Wich one?
« on: March 26, 2013, 01:14:45 PM »

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Re: 50mm: Wich one?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2013, 01:19:17 PM »
The bokeh is much better on the 1.4, though the 1.8 is supposed to be a bit sharper wide open.

Personally, I never cared for the plastic mount, which is why I went straight for the 1.4.  But I recently sold my Canon 1.4 for the Sigma f/1.4.  I find the Sigma to be a bit sharper, with better contrast.  But it's hit or miss whether you get a good copy.  My second copy of the Sigma was much better than the first.
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Re: 50mm: Wich one?
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2013, 01:22:56 PM »
I also find the ergonomics of the 1.4 to be almost worth the cost difference alone.  You can actually grip the focus ring.  It hunts less and is much quicker AF in my experience.  I dunno, maybe I had a junk nifty fifty, because I hated the thing and it has quite the cult following.

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Re: 50mm: Wich one?
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2013, 01:28:27 PM »
hummm...
I like my 1.8, I don't care about plastic mount but I'd like to learn the difference between 1.4 and 1.8.
Can you post any of your pictures?

Here you are one taken at the golf course in my city (Golf Club Trieste): amazing 50 (1.8) @2.8!



thanks!
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Re: 50mm: Wich one?
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2013, 01:33:10 PM »
hummm...
I like my 1.8, I don't care about plastic mount but I'd like to learn the difference between 1.4 and 1.8.
Can you post any of your pictures?

thanks!

I don't have them on this computer, but I could dig some up later.  However, two points:

1) there's a ton of comparisons of these two lenses online, far more formal than anything I can provide
2) I don't think there's a ton of difference in IQ, other than I think they're both soft wide open, but the 1.4 is far better at 1.8 than the 1.8 is wide open.  This, coupled with better ergo, build, bokeh, and faster AF made it worth the price difference IMHO.  YMMV.
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Re: 50mm: Wich one?
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2013, 01:39:51 PM »
1) there's a ton of comparisons of these two lenses online, far more formal than anything I can provide

Yep. I have read some but I found them not satisfying.
Here in a forum I have the possibility to orient my questions as I want...!

Infact I have never read about "bad and good" copy of Sigma 1.4 model  ;D
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Re: 50mm: Wich one?
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2013, 03:25:57 PM »
I think that Sigma has better optics for shooting at f/1.4 and nicer bokeh too. However, for f/2.8 and smaller apertures 40/2.8STM pancake may be a smart choice.
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Re: 50mm: Wich one?
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2013, 08:09:36 PM »
The Sigma 50mm f/1.4 is optimized for APS-C , while the Canon 50mm f/1.4 performs better on FF. 
Reasons to upgrade are
F/1.4
Better build and reliability.
 
Downside to Sigma - commonly have AF issues (for those that check) and need to go to Sigma for adjustment.  None of them have AF that is outstanding.

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Re: 50mm: Wich one?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2013, 08:51:09 PM »
I have the 50 f/1.4 and absolutely love it.  It's much cheaper than the 50L and is very sharp f/2.8 and narrower.  And I mean really sharp.
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Re: 50mm: Wich one?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2013, 09:43:37 PM »
The 50mm f1.4 is one of my fav lenses for portrait work. Beaut narrow DOF, and sharp enough at f2 to make the image zing :)
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Re: 50mm: Wich one?
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2013, 09:53:32 PM »
The Zeiss 50mm F/1.4 is my favorite because it has hyperfocal focus markings making it an ideal street lens shot at F/8.

Manual focus works with focus assist on a 5D MK3 pretty accurately, especially using back button focus.
Hold in button with thumb and adjust focus until you get a beep and red indicator.
Use spot metering for more accuracy.

Has that lovely Zeiss look and at F/1.4 the bokeh is nice too.

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Re: 50mm: Wich one?
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2013, 10:59:00 PM »
A lot of replies above highlight the exact reasons I don't currently own a 50mm.
Canon 50mm f/1.8 - poor AF (hunts and inaccurate, I had 2), poor bokeh
Canon 50mm f/1.4 - not sharp enough wide open, micro USM AF not so reliable
Canon 50mm f/1.2L - too expensive / too big and it has that focus shift issue
Sigma 50mm f/1.4 - too many reports of AF issues (also with different camera bodies)
other 50mm's (eg Ziess). I need AF!!

The Sigma 50mm would probably actually be my 'choice' if I was forced to choose. I'd go to a local bricks and mortar shop where I could try before I buy (the actual lens) - and I would use a shop that has a good return policy.

But in reality, I'm waiting for a new Canon 50mm USM, hopefully at f/1.4, but I will consider even if it's a f/2, and even if it has STM focus (rather than true USM).

IS would be an additional bonus (not quite an essential for me, but definitely a plus if IQ is still great wide open).

The new Canon 35mm f/2 IS USM is 'promising' - in that, I hope Canon keep the same format / standard in developing / producing a similar 50mm!

Cheers   8)

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Re: 50mm: Wich one?
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2013, 11:04:17 PM »
I've been shooting with the 50 f/1.4 for a long time now, and I still do not know what people mean when they say the AF is not reliable. 

I haven't looked at the Zeiss yet.
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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2013, 11:13:30 PM »
If you can get a really good copy of the Sigma 50mm f1.4, it is supposed to be better than the Canon 50mm f1.4.  So if you know someone at the camera shop and they let you test a whole mess of new ones, do that.  The canon 50mm f/1.4 is better than the f/1.2L across the board... which is strange since it is a fourth of the price.
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2013, 11:14:42 PM »
I've been shooting with the 50 f/1.4 for a long time now, and I still do not know what people mean when they say the AF is not reliable. 

I haven't looked at the Zeiss yet.
IF you drop it while the lens is focused on something close that that lip sticks out, it moves the gears off its track and it is screwy thereafter.  So I never take off the hard plastic hood. 
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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Re: 50mm: Wich one?
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2013, 11:14:42 PM »