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What one feature would you like to see in 7DII that is not in CR1 spec?

More AF points
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2 Card Slots
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Higher MP
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Higher FPS
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Higher ISO
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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2013, 03:29:06 PM »
The biggest clincher for me would be more advanced tracking AF, e.g. assisted by RGB metering as found on the 1D X and many Nikon models. f/8 centre AF would be a nice plus too.

I don't care about video unless they offer much less compressed output, then it would start to become interesting. It doesn't have to be raw. If each frame was as good as a high quality jpeg it would suffice. Right now it is far too compressed.
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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2013, 03:29:06 PM »

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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2013, 03:58:44 PM »
Higher ISO - not as in 'available as a setting' but as in 'useable with low noise'.  IMO this is unlikely unless Canon fundamentally changes their sensor fab tech, but at least 1-stop and preferably more.  If ISO 8000 on a 7DII looks like ISO 3200 on the 7D, I'll most likely buy one. AF at f/8 and a multicontroller on the grip would cinch the deal.
That would be a very fascinating thing to see if Canon pulls it off!

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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2013, 04:22:49 PM »
Higher ISO - not as in 'available as a setting' but as in 'useable with low noise'.  IMO this is unlikely unless Canon fundamentally changes their sensor fab tech, but at least 1-stop and preferably more.  If ISO 8000 on a 7DII looks like ISO 3200 on the 7D, I'll most likely buy one. AF at f/8 and a multicontroller on the grip would cinch the deal.
That would be a very fascinating thing to see if Canon pulls it off!

+1. Better ISO performance is all I would love to see (and to make me upgrade). All the other upgrades are nice to have but not necessary for me.
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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2013, 04:33:24 PM »
so far the most credible rumour re. 7D II ...  so perfectly  INCREMENTAL, UN-INNOVATIVE and MARKET-DIFFERENTIATED ... so 100% Canon .. geriatric ward!

3% more performance at a (probably) 30% higher price tag

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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2013, 04:53:06 PM »
I am sure it will have a touchscreen....
What makes you so sure that it will have touchscreen ... any sources?
No sources... but it would seem to make sense that they make one or two screens to cover all the camera lines and share parts as much as possible... It's probably cheaper to just make one touchscreen than have some which are and some which are not..... plus, if you don't like touchscreens you can turn off the touch functionality and have the best of both worlds...... and I wouldn't be supprised to see it jump up to a higher resolution either... I think the current screens are around 1280 x 800 (something close to that) and I could see it growing to support 1920 x 1080.... after all, there are small screens out now with twice the density of Canon's current crop of LCD's
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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2013, 04:59:23 PM »
What can we "fairly" expect Canon to deliver?

If we assume that the pricepoint is ~$2000-$2200 body at intro but pre-destined to slide to the $1700-1800 after the initial rush...sounds low I know, but just watch (I can't entertain any scenario where this is over $2400 at intro), this is what I expect:

1) Higher ISO performance: 1 or 2 stops better from current version.
2) Same or similar MP ... 18 to 21. I would lean toward 18MP.
3) Same or similar number of AF points, sensitivity/ AF algorithims updated.
4) Same or similar fps (8 to 10?)
5) Single card possibly SD
6) Digic 5 or 5-plus, and a possibility of dual 5, probably more buffer
7) Wi-fi/GPS (not sure, 50/50 chance).

And you say, "So many 'same' or 'similar'!?"...and I say that these changes will be "qualitative" rather than than in "numbers". Like I said before, they may throw in a surprising bone here and there, but these are likely paltry.

Even if they mostly deliver on the ISO, it would be a highly deserving update. It is likely to be a better performing camera, not a better "spec"-ed camera.
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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2013, 05:03:35 PM »
F8 focussing would be most welcome, but I doubt it will happen....

I actually think this will probably happen.  If the CR about the 6D firmware update allowing f/8 AF is correct, the i don't see why the updated 7D would not also have this. Especially since the 7D is billed as an action/sports cam.
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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2013, 05:03:35 PM »

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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2013, 07:04:18 PM »
More AF points would be welcome, but even more important, make it a wider AF -area then on the 1DX.
That is my complain about the 1DX, I would love the AF-area more stretched. Imagine this area like a rectangle, then I'am  missing some points in the outer corners. That is based on my experience in the field.
A much better iso performance then de 7D would also be very welcome. And of course a reliable and fast autofocus.

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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2013, 07:23:09 PM »
Higher ISO - not as in 'available as a setting' but as in 'useable with low noise'.  IMO this is unlikely unless Canon fundamentally changes their sensor fab tech, but at least 1-stop and preferably more.  If ISO 8000 on a 7DII looks like ISO 3200 on the 7D, I'll most likely buy one. AF at f/8 and a multicontroller on the grip would cinch the deal.
+100000

19 point AF again? Really? I was hoping for something a little bit faster.  Hopefully it's still adequate though.
And GPS and WiFi? Isn't that why the 6D doesn't have a pop-up flash? I'd really like a pop-up flash on this.  Until only recently I've started using my pop-up flash on my 60D to trigger my 580EX II and I'm very pleased with the results.
And I thought an additional SD card slot could be possible.  Oh well.
And definitely like Neuro said- Not better ISO as in being able to go up to 102.4K, but ISO that is usable at higher ISOs with less noise.

Hoping that when it comes out and I get a chance to test it, I'll buy it.   In need of a faster crop camera to go with my 5D 3.
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What about this basic, FREE-TO-IMPLEMENT feature?
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2013, 07:38:31 PM »
An INTERVALOMETER.  The lack of this basic, elementary feature is inexcusable in ANY camera today.  Along with that, these cameras should have mirror lockup for multiple images: basically, a time-lapse mode where you set the intervalometer and the mirror stays up for the entire sequence.  This is dead simple to implement, and yet year after year Canon fails to do it.
 
Beyond that, how about proper (real) downscaling of the image for video, instead of the hideous line-skipping?  And a decent codec?  Look at the BlackMagic camera.  If these guys can put out a camera that records raw video at that price, Canon should be able to give us far less-pathetic video than their SLRs currently do.  It may not be able to write raw data fast enough to a CF card, but we can do a lot better than 4:2:0 interframe-compressed crap at pitiful bitrates.

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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2013, 07:40:06 PM »
More AF points would be welcome, but even more important, make it a wider AF -area then on the 1DX.
That is my complain about the 1DX, I would love the AF-area more stretched. Imagine this area like a rectangle, then I'am  missing some points in the outer corners. That is based on my experience in the field.


The 1D IV and 7D are about tied for the broadest spread in both dimensions (relative to frame size). The 1D X has the same lateral spread as the 1D IV and 7D, and slightly less spread in the vertical dimension (about half a row shorter).

Basically, the 1D X is giving nearly the same spread (only the two points at the top/bottom of the 7D center column extend beyond the 1D X coverage), both have a point at the 'rule of thirds' intersections, and the 1D X rectangle's corners extend beyond the 7D's coverage, with the 1D X covering a larger area with a far more dense array.
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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2013, 08:22:03 PM »
Wonder if it will have a headphone socket, something the 1D X does not have (rather annoyingly).

Do we know what the read/write speeds will be? If it is the same as the 1D X then 1000X cards will be handy, and you can always use 64GB cards to capture around 2,600 raw images.
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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2013, 08:42:22 PM »
Everything is good, just make it 1599$.

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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2013, 09:58:35 PM »
Everything is good, just make it 1599$.
+1

If ISO 25600 on it is anything like ISO 12800 on the 5D3, I'd be interested.

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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2013, 10:51:35 PM »
Everything is good, just make it 1599$.

Haha, this!

My vote is on the af and card but if we were to get a considered "slightly" tweaked 7D then atleast make it cheaper Canon! ;)
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Re: What is missing from the 7DII specs
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