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Want to expand my gear?
« on: March 29, 2013, 08:16:02 PM »
I have a 5d3
24-70 ii
70-200 2.8ii
Sigma 35mm 1.4
600exrt

Take family portraits, vacation photos and eventially school functions.

Not sure where to invest next.
70-300l for more reach
2more 600exrt for flash photography
100mm 2.8 lens portraits and macro
16-35 2.8 for landscape

I know thats a lot of choices but just want to keep expnading and not sure which is the best for vacations and portraits
Considering what i have. I am staring to get into wildlife.
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2013, 08:26:05 PM »
Do you have a good tripod? If not then I would make that my next purchase.

Most of the alternatives you list are for completely different types of photography. I think that before I decided on the lens I would decide on what kind of photography I want to branch out into first.  Macro? Landscape? Better portraits? Wildlife?
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2013, 08:28:16 PM »
Do you have a good tripod? If not then I would make that my next purchase.

Most of the alternatives you list are for completely different types of photography. I think that before I decided on the lens I would decide on what kind of photography I want to branch out into first.  Macro? Landscape? Better portraits? Wildlife?

Better portraits
Wildlife
Landscape
Macro in order of importance

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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2013, 09:15:45 PM »
Better portraits
Wildlife
Landscape
Macro in order of importance

Better portraits = 85L, Sigma 85/1.4, or 135L
Wildlife = 2xIII for your 70-200 II
Landscape = a good tripod
Macro = 100L IS

For 'better portraits' though, do you mean outdoors, indoors, or studio?  Fast primes are wonderful for blurring a busy background outdoors or in the house.  But another option would be a backdrop setup, monolights (or more Speedlites), and softboxes.

Also, you mention school functions eventually, the 135L is great there.
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Re: Want to expand my gear?
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2013, 09:27:22 PM »
Better portraits
Wildlife
Landscape
Macro in order of importance

Better portraits = 85L, Sigma 85/1.4, or 135L
Wildlife = 2xIII for your 70-200 II
Landscape = a good tripod
Macro = 100L IS

For 'better portraits' though, do you mean outdoors, indoors, or studio?  Fast primes are wonderful for blurring a busy background outdoors or in the house.  But another option would be a backdrop setup, monolights (or more Speedlites), and softboxes.

Also, you mention school functions eventually, the 135L is great there.

Indoors mostly but a group of 3-4 people. Also I was considering the 70-300l since with the extender the weight is a lot for travel. Would love a light setup but would need something that could go up and down.
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2013, 09:39:10 PM »
Indoors mostly but a group of 3-4 people.

Then you're set with the 24-70/2.8 II.  More Speedlites aren't the best answer, either.  Good lighting for a small group means big modifiers, so I'd start looking at monolights (the PCB Einstein is excellent, and cheaper than a 600EX-RT).

The 70-300L is a great travel telezoom, but IMO still not really long enough for wildlife.
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2013, 10:26:37 PM »
Indoors mostly but a group of 3-4 people.

Then you're set with the 24-70/2.8 II.  More Speedlites aren't the best answer, either.  Good lighting for a small group means big modifiers, so I'd start looking at monolights (the PCB Einstein is excellent, and cheaper than a 600EX-RT).

The 70-300L is a great travel telezoom, but IMO still not really long enough for wildlife.

Can you give me an example of a lighting setup so i could look into costs please?
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2013, 10:35:11 PM »
Just my opinion of whats nice and simple in photography, buy more primes first ( see you've got the sigma 35 1.4 which seems a great lens) it will make you start thinking about your shots and composition better,  also help you choose the right lens for a shot. Now even if the flexibility of zooms for some jobs still is needed, start shooting personal work like portraits with the primes - i'd say 50 and 85mm are the first ones or maybe the 135mm F2L, also the 100 2.8 macro is great for portraits and macro.
Also if portraits are a big part of you're photography then definitely 2 or 3 proper flash monoblocks - even cheaper elinchrom D lites or something and a few modifiers, softbox, brolly & beauty dish will make you work have a new life, camera & lens is just half the equation in my eyes but then I use flash a lot to light scene & portraits, and thats where a lot of my style or technique come from.

With all you're zooms and the fact that maybe you're wanting to get a longer zoom, can I hazzard a guess that you like capturing moments and that side of photography? Maybe try looking at the other side a bit more.. ie making or controlling an image with a extremely considered view / composition and then begin working on the lighting and experimenting of what you do with lights (studio flash) and that will open up possibly a whole new way of thinking and working. TBH i normally get more excited about a new flash head or certain modifier than a camera or lens as I can do a lot more with it.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2013, 10:44:39 PM »
You have portraits and landscape covered pretty well with the 24-70ii and 70-200ii.. You can take fantastic portraits and landscapes with those.....even your macro can be shot pretty well with a 70-200....but...

You have nothing for wildlife/birding, and you say that is a priority.  Your 70-200 is way short....the 2xiii is a good suggestion to go with your 70-200 because 400mm at 5.6 works well with your set up (I have it)

You should go with the 2xiii.





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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2013, 11:02:01 PM »
As others mentioned, a 1.4X and a 2X TC will extend the range of your zoom to 280mm f/4 and 400mm f/5.6.  I have the MK II TC's and I can stack them and still get slow autofocus with my 5D MK III for 560mm f/8. 
 
 
Unfortunately, you can't stack the MK III TC's.
 
Here is one shot with the 70-200mm f/2.8 MK II yesterday.  Handheld, of course, with a severe crop as well.  Its far from pixel sharp, but if I took my time and got closer, it would be sharper.  Light was a problem as well, I should have used my better beamer.
 

 
 

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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2013, 11:07:27 PM »
Can you give me an example of a lighting setup so i could look into costs please?

Probably a couple of monolights to start, with a 4' octabox and a 3' stripbox. A couple of light stands (e.g., Manfrotto 1004BAC), and a boom (e.g. Manfrotto 024) to get the stripbox overhead as a rim light.  Possibly a background support, and backgrounds (muslin or paper - the former is durable but you have to deal with wrinkles, the latter is seamless but 'consumable').  I use the Manfrotto 1314B support - cheaper ones are fine for muslin, paper is heavier and needs a 9' cross bar, the Manfrotto works for both, and the risers in the kit are nice air-cushioned 8' stands  (1052BAC) that can be used independently (e.g. for a speedlite) if you don't need the backdrop.

You'll also need a wireless trigger, e.g. CyberSync or PocketWizard.

I like the PCB monolights and modifiers, and in particular the Einstein.  The Alien Bees are good, but the Einstein has a 9-stop range (most are 6 stops), meaning you can dial down the output indoors but have enough to overpower the sun outdoors.
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2013, 12:11:55 AM »
I thank everyone so far. I know that it was a all over the place question. I just am torn with which way to go. I think I will first evaluate the whole lighting setup as an option. If that does not fit for now then I can consider the 2xIII ex for my lens or a 50mm 1.4, 85 1.8 and 100mm 2.8l combo for portraits. Just need to figure out which one I want to start with for now then move to. I have a trip to Disney coming up so I was considering the 70-300mm for travel since that is my most immediate need vs. carrying the 2.8 zoom. Then picking up a 270ex for a lighter travel flash. This way I can lighten my load for that trip. If there are any suggestions for that immediate need please let me know. I definitely will be getting a tripod. The part about the primes that kills me is to keep two people in focus I end up having to stop it down so wondering what other benefits the primes will have besides subject isolation options and compositional thinking vs  zoom.
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2013, 02:08:43 AM »
here is my thought:

70-300l for more reach:  imo, i would not choose this one... for more reach, i would wait to get 7d mark ii or 70d so that i would add another body to my list and it will be obviously more reach than what you have planned when pairing with 70-200mm.  someone here might claim that 5d mark iii is better at high ISO... sure, but keep in mind that lens is f/4-5.6.... at most two stops and think about it, you can shoot at f/2.8 with focal length of 320mm instead of f/5.6 at 300mm

2 more 600exrt for flash photography:  sure
100mm 2.8 lens portraits and macro:  i just got it  :)
16-35 2.8 for landscape:  got it last year but also thinking about and waiting for 14-24mm

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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2013, 03:57:00 AM »

Take family portraits, vacation photos and eventially school functions.

16-35 2.8 for landscape

Considering what i have. I am staring to get into wildlife.


16-35 sure is a good and a versatile choice for landscape. Just bought the 16-35 F/2.8 L USM II used, excellent shape, at CHF 998.00 (at my retail shop) instead of CHF 1998.00 list price. So try to get your hands on one  8)
I am not into wildlife, but I'd suggest an even longer lens at FF. 100-400 plus converters? Or if money is not an issue, one of the primes? 400, 500 or 600? You might also check out Rokinon:

http://www.rokinon.com/product.php?id=20
http://www.rokinon.com/category.php?catId=2

also available via amazon.com



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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2013, 07:55:04 AM »
here is my thought:

70-300l for more reach:  imo, i would not choose this one... for more reach, i would wait to get 7d mark ii or 70d so that i would add another body to my list and it will be obviously more reach than what you have planned when pairing with 70-200mm.  someone here might claim that 5d mark iii is better at high ISO... sure, but keep in mind that lens is f/4-5.6.... at most two stops and think about it, you can shoot at f/2.8 with focal length of 320mm instead of f/5.6 at 300mm

2 more 600exrt for flash photography:  sure
100mm 2.8 lens portraits and macro:  i just got it  :)
16-35 2.8 for landscape:  got it last year but also thinking about and waiting for 14-24mm

Thats a good point about the body. But the 7d ii will probably be expensive.
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