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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2013, 05:54:11 AM »
i must have missed the rumour!
is there a CR rated rumour about a 50 f2 IS? :o

I don't think so, but it's fairly safe to assume a new '50' in the style of the 24/28/35 is around the corner ;)
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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2013, 05:54:11 AM »

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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2013, 08:04:15 PM »
i must have missed the rumour!
is there a CR rated rumour about a 50 f2 IS? :o

I don't think so, but it's fairly safe to assume a new '50' in the style of the 24/28/35 is around the corner ;)

Again, not a rumor -- just a certainty.   8)

This lens absolutely will happen in the near future (next 12-18 months).  The non-L primes are all being significantly improved (on all fronts, not just IS), and the 50mm and 85mm have to be next. 

The only thing in doubt is what the max apertures of these lenses will be.  Everything so far has retained its predecessor's max aperture:

  • 24 mm F/2.8 --> 24mm F/2.8 IS USM
  • 28 mm F/2.8 --> 28mm F/2.8 IS USM (yes, there is an old F/1.8 USM, but it's still being sold -- the F/2.8 was discontinued by this new one.)
  • 35 mm F/2 --> 35mm F/2 IS USM

What makes the new 50mm F/? IS USM and 85mm F/? IS USM harder to predict is that they are large aperture lenses today (50 = 1.4, 85 = 1.8 ).   We've never seen an IS lens faster than the 35mm F/2 IS or the 200mm F/2 IS.  So some folks are speculating (not a CR rumor) that the 50mm will be F/2 IS and not the old F/1.4. 

There's been zero speculation on the 85 prime to my knowledge, but one would imagine that at 21 years old, it's soon to see a similar refresh.

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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2013, 09:26:06 PM »
wow that alot of faith there, I hope non of you guys are holding your breath
(if you dont reply its ok we will know you were ;) )
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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2013, 11:39:47 PM »
wow that alot of faith there, I hope non of you guys are holding your breath
(if you dont reply its ok we will know you were ;) )

It's not faith, it's a certainty based on all common sense, even for a nutty decision-making company like Canon:

  • A 50 prime (that general length) is an 'essential' photographic tool.  Demand for a 50mm is high.
  • Canon does not have a single best 50 prime lens -- to this day, many folks prefer the non-L f/1.4 to the  F/1.2L for sharpness reasons.
  • That F/1.4 lens is 20 years old, and lacks obvious modernities like IS, internal focusing, fast USM focusing, sharper corners, better build, etc.
  • Other lenses with a far less loyal following (24mm non-L prime? 28mm anything?) have gotten A+ refreshes of late.
  • Canon loves comically pricey lenses, and with the F/1.2L costing $1500 and the non-L F/1.4 costing $400, this is a glorious chance to sneak in between those two price points.
  • It's a great value proposition as the comparative L primes lenses (a) are not necessarily sharper than the new stuff and (b) has no threat of new versions coming soon (Canon isn't refreshing its wider L primes right now.  It's been all long glass and zooms of late.  The last new L prime under 300mm was... what?  T/S glass 4 years ago?)

I just think the 50mm is a hammerlock to occur, and nearly as much so for the 85mm.

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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2013, 07:06:19 AM »
It's not faith, it's a certainty based on all common sense, even for a nutty decision-making company like Canon:

  • A 50 prime (that general length) is an 'essential' photographic tool.  Demand for a 50mm is high.
  • Canon does not have a single best 50 prime lens -- to this day, many folks prefer the non-L f/1.4 to the  F/1.2L for sharpness reasons.
  • That F/1.4 lens is 20 years old, and lacks obvious modernities like IS, internal focusing, fast USM focusing, sharper corners, better build, etc.
  • Other lenses with a far less loyal following (24mm non-L prime? 28mm anything?) have gotten A+ refreshes of late.
  • Canon loves comically pricey lenses, and with the F/1.2L costing $1500 and the non-L F/1.4 costing $400, this is a glorious chance to sneak in between those two price points.
  • It's a great value proposition as the comparative L primes lenses (a) are not necessarily sharper than the new stuff and (b) has no threat of new versions coming soon (Canon isn't refreshing its wider L primes right now.  It's been all long glass and zooms of late.  The last new L prime under 300mm was... what?  T/S glass 4 years ago?)

I just think the 50mm is a hammerlock to occur, and nearly as much so for the 85mm.

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I don't doubt that 50 and 85 IS versions will be coming in the future.  However, it might have to wait for a killer 50L f/1.2 first.

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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2013, 09:07:56 AM »
Still rocking a 20+ year old 50mm 1.8 first version.  Build in Japan with the metal mount.  Clean, fast , reliable & sharp. Only fault is the 5 blade shutter makes crappy bokeh.  I am waiting for a reason to replace it.  A $1,200 lens, even if it's 1.2L is not a good enough reason.  A 1.4, for $400, even if a tad sharper in the after 2.8 is not a good reason.  a 2.5 with 1/2 frame macro, and sharp, for $500 was a good reason.  So I bought one of those too.  I'm really hoping for a hyper-sharp 1.4 with IS that does not break the bank.  Guess I will be holding onto that 1.8 until the first price drop on any new 50mm
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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2013, 09:11:33 AM »
I would think that they could make it a 50mm f/1.8 IS or even a 50mm f/1.4 IS, sticking with their current product positioning trend. a 50mm f/2 actually seems a little slow for what they should technically be able to accomplish.

I personally just bought the 35mm f/2 IS to serve as a walkaround on a 5D Mark III as the trusty ol' 24-70mm f/2.8 L was far too bulky and too intimidating for many situations. it's a great lens, the IS works well, the resolution is excellent. color and contrast are good, contrast may actually be a bit overdone for my tastes, but the images certainly have 'pop' straight out of the camera.

I tried the 24mm f/2.8 IS in the store and it also looked good, but I have far too much overlap at the 24mm f/2.8 position already, with the 24-70 L and the 16-35 L. a 50mm f/2 IS should be good but I wouldn't trade my 50 f/1.4 in for it. frankly, even if it's a 50mm f/1.4 IS, I would trade my current 1.4 in for it, but it would at least make a more compelling argument for upgrade.

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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2013, 10:53:38 AM »
Still rocking a 20+ year old 50mm 1.8 first version.  Build in Japan with the metal mount.  Clean, fast , reliable & sharp. Only fault is the 5 blade shutter makes crappy bokeh.  I am waiting for a reason to replace it.  A $1,200 lens, even if it's 1.2L is not a good enough reason.  A 1.4, for $400, even if a tad sharper in the after 2.8 is not a good reason.  a 2.5 with 1/2 frame macro, and sharp, for $500 was a good reason.  So I bought one of those too.  I'm really hoping for a hyper-sharp 1.4 with IS that does not break the bank.  Guess I will be holding onto that 1.8 until the first price drop on any new 50mm

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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2013, 11:54:32 AM »
Still rocking a 20+ year old 50mm 1.8 first version.  Build in Japan with the metal mount.  Clean, fast , reliable & sharp. Only fault is the 5 blade shutter makes crappy bokeh.  I am waiting for a reason to replace it.  A $1,200 lens, even if it's 1.2L is not a good enough reason.  A 1.4, for $400, even if a tad sharper in the after 2.8 is not a good reason.  a 2.5 with 1/2 frame macro, and sharp, for $500 was a good reason.  So I bought one of those too.  I'm really hoping for a hyper-sharp 1.4 with IS that does not break the bank.  Guess I will be holding onto that 1.8 until the first price drop on any new 50mm

The 1.8 Mk I truly is a brilliant little lens, I'm very happy with my immaculate copy :)

I don't find myself using my 50 mk I anymore since I got the 40 pancake.  Since I am not an agent in The Matrix, I do not notice a large problem with focus speed on the 40.

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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2013, 04:40:32 PM »
I had all the 50's... first the 1.8 shortly after acquiring my first EOS (Rebel T1i 3 years ago) and I quite liked it for the first while despite its lack of build quality and the focus often not really hitting home. I then sold it and bought a 50 1.4, which definitely was my favourite lens on the old Rebel, I was satisfied with the performance. Then I got my 5D3 and suddenly was not so satisfied anymore. Pictures were quite soft at open apertures, of course they also were on the Rebel but when upgrading from a Rebel T1i to a 5D Mark III the difference really hits you in the face.

So, I tried the Sigma 50 1.4 which of course achieves a good sharpness and overall has great image quality but as many others I got one where the focus was completely off, it focused wrong and even differently wrong depending on the focal distance. Trashed it and the idea of sending my body to Sigma to adjust the lens to my camera. I decided to wait for a new Canon 50, which just has to happen in the near time after new 24, 28, 35 and 40 and probably will also sport an IS. There were rumours of an upcoming 1.4 IS, I don't think it's realistic, 2.0 IS is more likely. But, as we all know, that rumour has been out there for months now, there is nothing on the horizon. So... what to do?

I always - always - glanced at the 1.2L, but steered clear from it because I was blinded by test charts like the one on the first page where one is lead to the assumption that the 1.2 is not any better, no even worse than the 1.4 or even the 1.8.

Nevertheless, I took the jump and bought it. I tell you, once you use it, you won't notice. Bokeh, AF, the overall build quality and just that special look of the pictures make up for every lower result in some test chart. If I need sharp, I put on my 100L or 135L. Weather sealing is just another gimmick I love, it's a perfect walkaround lens for walks or snapshots and it's exceptional aperture also makes an IS quite obsolete for me and furthermore it's a perfect toy for indoor portraits, when the light is not-so-great. I love it and won't exchange it now if a new 50 comes out.

A new 85 on the other hand could be something for me  ::)
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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2013, 05:27:54 PM »
.. a 2.5 with 1/2 frame macro, and sharp, for $500 was a good reason.  So I bought one of those too.  I'm really hoping for a hyper-sharp 1.4 with IS that does not break the bank.

I moved into the EOS system almost 10 years ago, and have been waiting for Canon to update the 50/1.4 all this time. Glad I haven't been holding my breath. I also have the 50/2.5 CM (I must be a SwampYankee, and just didn't know it ...), although I paid a heck of a lot less than $500 for it. I bought it specifically for a product photography gig, and was satisfied enough with it to keep it. The buzzy AFM focus motor is an amusing departure from the ring USM rigs in all my other lenses.

I used to own an 85/1.8 and loved it, selling it only after getting a 100/f2.8L IS Macro. I didn't know that the 85/1.8 was released a year before the 50/1.4, and was surprised to learn that. Makes you wonder why they put that weird quasi-USM motor into the 50/1.4 in the first place.

If Canon ever produces a 50/1.4-2.0 with true ring USM, I'd be willing to pay up to $500 for one, and would probably sell my 50/2.5 CM once satisfied with the new glass. I don't care if it has IS or not, although I agree with many here that it probably will. I also realize that to get one for $500, I might have to wait a while (years) for the price to come down. But not having one in my kit really isn't hampering my photography any.
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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2013, 08:17:53 PM »



If Canon ever produces a 50/1.4-2.0 with true ring USM, I'd be willing to pay up to $500 for one, and would probably sell my 50/2.5 CM once satisfied with the new glass. I don't care if it has IS or not, although I agree with many here that it probably will. I also realize that to get one for $500, I might have to wait a while (years) for the price to come down. But not having one in my kit really isn't hampering my photography any.


+1

I've heard this from many people.  The 50 prime is just such a useful length / well-rounded tool that people will gladly go up the ladder price-wise for a better offering.

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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2013, 08:44:26 PM »
Again, not a rumor -- just a certainty.   8)

This lens absolutely will happen in the near future (next 12-18 months).

"Near future"... I like that...as for me, in the near future, I am hoping to have Jetson-style flying cars released...and I  define near future as few years, but over the course of this thread I plan to specify that to be about 5 to 30 years.  Also, with 12-18 months you give yourself a rather wide berth there and one would hope it is tough to miss such a generous timeline.  ;)

But the irony might very well be that Canon's obduracy outlasts even your safer, longer, 18 month prediction.

It seems to me that Canon is focusing on opening up and expanding into newer, high end venues that were not even around a decade ago...such as mega-K cine platforms and its cameras and lens needs as an example. 

Right now Canon has four 50mm models in its dSLR line up ...and their logic would be, though each has its own group of complainers and champions, there is plenty to choose from. I don't see Canon hurrying it up...in the "near future".  However, I do not doubt that the 50mm's will be updated sooner or later (see I am being "high risk" just like you). ;)

But all kidding aside, I will be cheering along with you should your prediction come true and may even consider buying the damn lens. :)
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Re: Is the upcoming 50mm F/2 IS USM for me?
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