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jdramirez

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Re: I'm looking for a telephoto zoom, but I've been underwhelmed before.
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2013, 08:09:29 PM »
I think what I was hoping for was that someone would tell me that there is no real world difference between the sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 APO EX DG HSM OS FLD Large Aperture and the Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L IS mkii... Sure the canon wins at 100% and with pixel peeping, but other than that... no difference.  Buy it for a grand, and then have a grand left over to buy a 135mm or whatever.  But I think that is indeed wishful thinking.

I went to dpreview... did a side by side comparison of both 70-200's... and without question the Canon is the winner.  So... yeah... no thank you Sigma.  :( 

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Re: I'm looking for a telephoto zoom, but I've been underwhelmed before.
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2013, 08:09:29 PM »

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Re: I'm looking for a telephoto zoom, but I've been underwhelmed before.
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2013, 09:20:48 PM »
Geez, does no one here rely as heavily on Canon's own MTF characteristics as I do?
Just look at the charts to find those lenses with nice horizontal squiggly lines, not the ones that slope down, the straight ones.

It's not rocket science here...set your budget/requirements/wants, order it/chect it out/keep it or send it back, and repeat process.
As someone else mentioned, don't try to get off going cheap...that doesn't work for ____!

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Re: I'm looking for a telephoto zoom, but I've been underwhelmed before.
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2013, 09:39:23 PM »
Geez, does no one here rely as heavily on Canon's own MTF characteristics as I do?
Just look at the charts to find those lenses with nice horizontal squiggly lines, not the ones that slope down, the straight ones.

It's not rocket science here...set your budget/requirements/wants, order it/chect it out/keep it or send it back, and repeat process.
As someone else mentioned, don't try to get off going cheap...that doesn't work for ____!

mtf  charts annoy me.  I did like the mtf charts from dpreview...  but they didn't have mtfs for all of the lenses I'm interested in.   I'm mulling over selling my macro and getting the 135  and the zoom.   it seems like a better use of resources than having all three.
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Re: I'm looking for a telephoto zoom, but I've been underwhelmed before.
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2013, 11:57:52 PM »
I know you're looking for a zoom, but to be honest aside from the mythical 200-400/1.4x a decent zoom telephoto for Canon does not exist.  I have owned almost every choice at one time or another.

Sigma 80-400/OS - extremely slow AF, unacceptable image quality
Canon 70-200/2.8 II + 2x III - better, but still slow, AF.  borderline acceptable image quality
Canon 100-400 - similar AF to the 70-200 + 2x. marginally better image quality.

The best two choices, and I own both of them, are the 300/4 and 400/5.6.  For most occasions I prefer the 400/5.6 because it has better image quality at 400mm and has the fastest AF of the choices.  I mainly use the 300/4 for occasions when I can easily get close to wildlife (zoo) or for small wildlife that I need to get close to for a decent shot (dragonflies, lizards).

I hear such amazing things about the 70-200 f2.8l is mkii, I find it hard to believe it is as wonderful as its reputation.  I do see the photos online and I wonder if that is the lens,  the body,  or the photographer who make it great.   I've never heard the 100-400 referred to as better than the 70-200...  so that detracts from  the credibility of your opinion.
I don't understand where he gets that from regarding the 70-200, I have had mine only three months now but I am overwhelmed of the performance. Everything is good with it, IS, controls, zoom speed, IQ, colours, sharpness etc. Only negative is that it's white so it's hard to blend in. Get it, you will never regret it. It will be the benchmark lens for you.

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Re: I'm looking for a telephoto zoom, but I've been underwhelmed before.
« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2013, 02:49:28 AM »
if the 70-200 f/2.8 II doesn't cut it for you, I doubt anything else will.

Anyhow, compromising is a lose-lose situation because getting the Siggy will have you yearning for more. It's better to buy 70-200 II rather than buying something halfway only to upgrade later on which will eventually cost you substantially higher than getting the 70-200 II outright.
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Re: I'm looking for a telephoto zoom, but I've been underwhelmed before.
« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2013, 05:43:01 AM »
Zooms just dont deliver the same IQ at all focal ranges they offer. Its the culprit of zooms. Theyre ALWAYS a compromise between affordability and IQ. If that doesnt cut it for you then better get primes.

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« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2013, 06:19:12 AM »
Zooms just dont deliver the same IQ at all focal ranges they offer. Its the culprit of zooms. Theyre ALWAYS a compromise between affordability and IQ. If that doesnt cut it for you then better get primes.

Usually, but not always true: here is a comparison of the amazing 70-200mm f/4 IS showing it holds its own against the best Canon primes, and it isn't that expensive.

http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/999/cat/11

And, the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II is at least as good as the f/4.
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Re: I'm looking for a telephoto zoom, but I've been underwhelmed before.
« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2013, 06:19:12 AM »

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« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2013, 06:41:41 AM »
Zooms just dont deliver the same IQ at all focal ranges they offer. Its the culprit of zooms. Theyre ALWAYS a compromise between affordability and IQ. If that doesnt cut it for you then better get primes.

Usually, but not always true: here is a comparison of the amazing 70-200mm f/4 IS showing it holds its own against the best Canon primes, and it isn't that expensive.

http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/999/cat/11

And, the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II is at least as good as the f/4.

The 70-200 f/2.8 IS II is supposedly even sharper than the 200mm f/2.8 prime. You may go here and check it out -

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-200mm-f-2.8-L-II-USM-Lens-Review.aspx
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Re: I'm looking for a telephoto zoom, but I've been underwhelmed before.
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2013, 11:18:45 PM »
To sum up... I actually bought a used 70-200mm f/2.8L IS mkii today for $1700.  Per the person, it has been sparingly used during that year and it was collecting dust... which I totally can understand because I have all but abandoned using my 50mm f/1.4 over the past year and change. 

Two quick things... I know how to read the manufacture date for a lens so I will be able to tell if it was made in 2010 v. 2012, but is there anything else I should check for to see how much it was used?  I'm inclinded to say scratches wear spots, etc... but I don't think that is going to be an issue. 

I really did want to get a 5d mkiii next... but this was just too good of a deal to pass up.  Now I'm about 4 to 500 short of being able to afford the mkiii... but I can make that up before Christmas pretty easily.
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Re: I'm looking for a telephoto zoom, but I've been underwhelmed before.
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2013, 11:18:45 PM »