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Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« on: March 30, 2013, 11:38:28 PM »
***Is the 1DX really the Flagship Stills Camera?***

I ask this question because, as I sit here typing, I am thinking ... is there a camera which is uncompromising in image quality, features, and performance?  When I read in the forums and search online I find TONS of critisizm about Canon bodies, Canon lenses, and the company.  Yet, I have Canon, I've always had Canon.  Ever since Andre Agessi said I should.

So, I throw this question out there.  Does Canon make a body that is just flat out great?  IQ is NASA good?  Features like Voltron.  Performs like a river dancer?  I ask because it seems like every body has some level of compromise.  I mean if I look at every option (except for sensor) just on paper, their lineup should go 1DX, 7D, 5D3, 6D.  But if I look just at sensor it seems like it should be 5D3, 6D, 1Dx, 7D.  If I look at build then 1DX, 5D3, 7D, (everything else).

There just doesnt seem to be one camera in Canon's lineup which is 'The Best Camera Ever'.

Maybe that is the point, because ambiguity = moola for Canon. 

Agessi said the Rebel was best.  Then his hair fell out.  Karma???

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« on: March 30, 2013, 11:38:28 PM »

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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2013, 11:48:15 PM »
***Is the 1DX really the Flagship Stills Camera?***

I ask this question because, as I sit here typing, I am thinking ... is there a camera which is uncompromising in image quality, features, and performance?  When I read in the forums and search online I find TONS of critisizm about Canon bodies, Canon lenses, and the company.  Yet, I have Canon, I've always had Canon.  Ever since Andre Agessi said I should.

So, I throw this question out there.  Does Canon make a body that is just flat out great?  IQ is NASA good?  Features like Voltron.  Performs like a river dancer?  I ask because it seems like every body has some level of compromise.  I mean if I look at every option (except for sensor) just on paper, their lineup should go 1DX, 7D, 5D3, 6D.  But if I look just at sensor it seems like it should be 5D3, 6D, 1Dx, 7D.  If I look at build then 1DX, 5D3, 7D, (everything else).

There just doesnt seem to be one camera in Canon's lineup which is 'The Best Camera Ever'.

Maybe that is the point, because ambiguity = moola for Canon. 

Agessi said the Rebel was best.  Then his hair fell out.  Karma???

Not sure you understand what you're reading.  Where on earth did you get your sensor rating?? 

Clearly, clearly, clearly, and well documented, the 1DX has the best sensor Canon offers.  It doesn't have the highest resolution, but it has the best performing sensor.
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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2013, 12:01:05 AM »
So far, Canon 1dx delivers the best overall quality of all Canon DSLRs, therefore it's considered as a flagship camera, despite some "flaws" it has. I think you can plenty of criticism about any other manufacturer (Nikon, Sony, etc.). So, according to your logic, there is not flagship camera for these manufacturers as well?

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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2013, 12:45:45 AM »
The 1DX is their flagship sports/ fashion
the 5DIII is their flagship weddings/ event camera
the 7D is their flagship APS-C camera
The 6D is their flagship connectivity (Wifi/ GPS) camera
The 60Da is their flagship astro photography camera

I see Canon as a company that is making different products for different needs at different price points. I don't think there is a big conspiracy, but I'd love a Canon with more mega pixies for studio/ commercial product photography.
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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2013, 01:02:17 AM »
So, I throw this question out there.  Does Canon make a body that is just flat out great? 
Errrm...the 1DX. Have you used one?

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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2013, 01:02:44 AM »
The 1DX is their flagship sports/ fashion
the 5DIII is their flagship weddings/ event camera
the 7D is their flagship APS-C camera
The 6D is their flagship connectivity (Wifi/ GPS) camera
The 60Da is their flagship astro photography camera

I see Canon as a company that is making different products for different needs at different price points. I don't think there is a big conspiracy, but I'd love a Canon with more mega pixies for studio/ commercial product photography.

I tend to agree with this Philosophy, Cameras as a Tool for specific needs and Budget. It's obviously a system that works, which is why all the major Camera manufactures tend towards the same model, putting Brand aside, most Cameras in the same category/budget, within reason produce similar results.

On wether or not Canon have a "Flagship" model ?? in my opinion absolutely, it's the 1Dx, I have 2 1Dx bodies, 2 5DMK3 bodies, a 1DMK IV, 2 5DMK2 bodies, and until recently, a Nikon D800 (Sold it due to total & complete disappointment). In my own area of Photography, Wildlife, the 1Dx has absolutely no equals, none at least when considering the Bodies I have. It's possible there's a Body/camera out there better, but I haven't seen it yet, maybe when the new Canon 1D Big Megapixel comes along next year, 7 frames a second ? 40MP ? that might take the crown, but for Wildlife Photography 18MP & 12 FPS is a hard act to beat.

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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2013, 01:29:47 AM »
The last true Flagship camera Canon sold was the 1DSIII. 

Since it has not been replaced yet Canon's best camera is the 1DX.

To be considered a Flagship camera the 1DX would need 2X the pixels at the very least.

Do not get me wrong I have both and the 1DX is the best yet, less the pixel count!

I have owned every 1D/S pair.  Canon has not made a matching Flagship camera since the III.

When the 1DIV came out I waited for the S that never came, Thus never buying a 1DIV.

I will not buy another Canon 1 series camera until a 1DXS type of studio camera is released.


P.S. I should have said "NO" since they no-longer sell the Flagship camera 1DSIII!
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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2013, 01:36:06 AM »
To me, the difference between 18MP and 22MP is negligible. The 1DX (although I've only used one for no more than 10 minutes) is easily the top Canon camera at the moment for pretty much anything.

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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2013, 03:04:50 AM »
So, I throw this question out there.  Does Canon make a body that is just flat out great? 
Errrm...the 1DX. Have you used one?

-PW

Seconded. That body is flat out impressive.

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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2013, 03:49:01 AM »
"The 1dx needs twice the pixel count to be considered a flagship"

Lol, that would mean I have to do some SERIOUS compromise in shutter speed because my current choice of speeds would have been at extreme ISO noise, and I would actually have needed a higher speed to freeze the same action with 36 mp as I can with 18. And that would lead to very noisy motion blurred pictures that I now, with 18mp, get very clean and super sharp.

And something tells me a 36mp 1dx with 12 fps would be on the expensive and heavy side ;D

Everything is a compromise to be able to sell it.

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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2013, 04:21:50 AM »
The last true Flagship camera Canon sold was the 1DSIII. 

To be considered a Flagship camera the 1DX would need 2X the pixels at the very least.

So, the 1DsIII was a Flagship because it had 2x the pixels of...what?

Flagship. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.  ::)
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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2013, 04:43:44 AM »
Currently 1Dx has the crown and rightly so :)
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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2013, 05:17:30 AM »
The 1DX is their flagship sports/ fashion
the 5DIII is their flagship weddings/ event camera
the 7D is their flagship APS-C camera
The 6D is their flagship connectivity (Wifi/ GPS) camera
The 60Da is their flagship astro photography camera

I see Canon as a company that is making different products for different needs at different price points. I don't think there is a big conspiracy, but I'd love a Canon with more mega pixies for studio/ commercial product photography.

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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2013, 08:05:49 AM »
This post is what I would call "a pointless exercise in futility"...

Easy Grumpy. Smile, it's Easter :)

Clearly, clearly, clearly, and well documented, the 1DX has the best sensor Canon offers.  It doesn't have the highest resolution, but it has the best performing sensor.

I think what is confusing is that a casual observer could not pick out the best Canon on stats alone.  I mean, if I were at the local electronics mega dealer and a 5D3 were sitting there boasting more mega pixels and a lower price and hyping its low lights capability and the only sacrifice was clicks per second ...... why would I spend double that?  I mean I know from reading here and other places the image quality is outstanding on a 1DX.  You can see that by what is posted.  But on paper it seems like the 1DX loses to the 5D3 except for an extra processor to get the FPS up.


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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2013, 08:58:55 AM »
I think what is confusing is that a casual observer could not pick out the best Canon on stats alone.

The first thing your 'casual observer' would notice is the 2x higher price of the 1D X, and then assume (correctly) that the 1D X is the superior camera.  But how relevant is that?  Is your average 'casual observer' going to plunk down $7K, or even $3K, on a camera?  Generally, such a decision involves some research. Such research might turn up a list like this:

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Canon EOS 1D X Feature Advantages Over the EOS 5D Mark III
More advanced metering system (100k pixel, 252 zone RGB vs 63 zone iFCL)
EOS iTR AF (Intelligent Tracking and Recognition AF including facial recognition)
Frame rate is 2x faster (12 fps vs. 6 fps)
Higher frame burst rating (RAW: 38 vs. 18 rated / 54 vs. 33 tested)
AF point-linked spot metering and Multi-spot metering
Faster AF driven by more powerful battery pack (with select Canon L lenses)
EV 0-20 Metering range (vs. EV 1-20)
Higher native ISO settings available (51200 vs. 25600)
Higher expanded ISO settings available (204800 vs. 102400)
Less high ISO noise
Faster X-sync speed (1/250 vs. 1/200)
Dual DIGIC 5+ processors plus DIGIC 4 processor dedicated to AE functions
(5D III has a single DIGIC 5+ processor and a non-specified AF-dedicated processor)
Higher battery life rating (1,120 vs. 950 shots)
Higher shutter durability rating (400,000 vs. 150,000 cycles)
Higher viewfinder magnification (.76x vs .71x)
Shorter viewfinder blackout time
Viewfinder provides more nose relief from LCD (less nose spots on LCD)
Has a viewfinder shutter
Built-in Ethernet Port
More advanced self-cleaning sensor
Better Weather Sealing
Built in vertical grip
Accepts optional focus screens
7 LCD brightness levels (vs. 3)
More custom functions (31 vs. 13)

Canon EOS 5D Mark III Feature Advantages Over the Canon EOS 1D X
Price (a big advantage for most of us)
Higher resolution (22.3 mp vs 18.1 mp)
In-camera HDR mode
Headphone jack
Lighter weight with lighter battery
Compatible with Canon wireless infrared remotes such as the RC-6
Much quieter silent mode
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Re: Does Canon really have a Flagship Stills Camera?
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