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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2013, 05:23:34 AM »
My 50 1.8 made me buy into 28 1.8. In turn 28 1.8 made me buy into 135 2.0. In turn 135 2.0 made me buy into 6D  :o

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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2013, 05:23:34 AM »

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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2013, 06:20:21 AM »
I'll throw out one more suggestion, the L 17-40 f4.  I have used it on a crop and a full frame sensor, and I think it is great for both, and it isn't at the typical L-glass price point.  It gives you a little less reach than your kit lens, but you already have a 50mm lens if you want more reach, and I think it is a nice improvement in IQ and build quality over the kit lens.  Plus its a nice wide angle lens if you ever do go FF.  I also have the 24-105, and I much prefer having the 17-40 on my t3i over the 24-105.

Right now you can get a 17-40 refurbished directly from Canon for under $600, which is a great deal for L glass.  That is how I have bought several of my lenses, and I couldn't be happier.

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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2013, 06:58:09 AM »
+1 for EF-S 15-85mm & EF-S 17-55mm
But if you want to start your FF lens collection, you may also want to look at Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC or Canon EF 24-105 f/4 L IS
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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2013, 08:34:30 AM »
Hoping to get some advice from some of you more experienced people. I have a T4i that came with the kit 18-55 basic lens. I recently got the 50mm 1.8 and have fallen in love with it. To my novice eyes the image quality is noticeably better than what I was getting with the kit lens.

So my question to you all is what lens could I get as an upgrade to the kit lens I got that would be better in terms of image quality? But would give me the same, or similar, focal range that the 18-55 is giving me? Without going to the L lenses? Or am I asking for too much?  :o I'm not necessarily only looking for Ef-s lenses. If I'm going to invest in lenses I'm almost inclined to only buy EF. Just in case I one day take the plunge into the FF world... But any recommendations would be great.

Thanks for any help and let me know if my questions need any clarification.

I recommend the new Sigma Contemporary 17-70mm f/2.8-4 OS HSM.

Great glass, fast aperture, great build, and a reasonable price.

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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2013, 08:48:39 AM »
Hoping to get some advice from some of you more experienced people. I have a T4i that came with the kit 18-55 basic lens. I recently got the 50mm 1.8 and have fallen in love with it. To my novice eyes the image quality is noticeably better than what I was getting with the kit lens.

So my question to you all is what lens could I get as an upgrade to the kit lens I got that would be better in terms of image quality? But would give me the same, or similar, focal range that the 18-55 is giving me? Without going to the L lenses? Or am I asking for too much?  :o I'm not necessarily only looking for Ef-s lenses. If I'm going to invest in lenses I'm almost inclined to only buy EF. Just in case I one day take the plunge into the FF world... But any recommendations would be great.

Thanks for any help and let me know if my questions need any clarification.

Asking this question here is going to open the floodgates of expensive options. :)

I'm sure many will recommend the 17-55 f/2.8IS, or the 15-85mm, both good choices (for different reasons).

I might get crucified here by suggesting this, but here goes: consider the 18-135mm IS STM (not the older IS). I might have a really good copy, but my 18-135mm STM is sharp, very sharp. I've compared it to many other lenses and it is surprising how good it is wide open. Stop it down a small amount and it's even sharper. That said, it isn't a very fast lens (f/3.5-5.6), so you will be using the higher ISOs on your T4i in some situations.

The benefit to the 18-135 IS STM is it's a "kit lens", so there are TONS out there, and you can get them on the barely used market for a bargain. It's got AMAZING reach, and is a wonderful travel lens. Zooming into 135mm gives you a pretty good limited depth of field.

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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2013, 09:00:07 AM »

If you want a faster aperture then I find the digma 18-50 f2.8  dc macro a very good lens, the newer 17-50 f2,8 os version is reputed to be even better.
Hmm, I think this is a very thought through post and obviously based on more knowledge and experience than what I can come up with. But I would still go back to argue for the 15-85, it's a completely different animal than the 18-55, at least the old one that I got with my old 400D. I tried it against my 15-85 on my 60D that I got later and it was just two completely different worlds. That said, I have not tried the kit lens you're talking about here. 15-85 is very versatile and the T4i has the same sensor as my old 60D that together produced some really nice pictures even for a fairly unskilled guy like myself.

Re: the Sigma 18-50 f2.8, I recently picked that one up to give me an extra stop in low light. It's very well built, and for a non USM lens it's pretty quick. It's image quality isn't the greatest, but I'd say it's "good enough" for many. I didn't get it for the "macro" feature, but it does focus pretty damn close. Only real complaint is the focus markings don't quite match up with the actual focus, i.e. if I set it to 10m on the ring and then shoot something at 10m it's not in focus. Also the lens isn't parfocal so I can't see how the focus ring could ever be used?

That all said, I'm happy with it for now.

Re: the Canon 18-55IS. I have to agree with you. Alot of people rave about how good it is for the money, but I think I just had a really bad copy. There was nothing to rave about with that lens. It consistently produced soft images, with quite a bit of CA. Compared to the 18-135mm IS (non STM) that I replaced it with, it was like night and day. And the non STM 18-135mm wasn't that great a lens either.

Have people noticed alot of variation with Canon lenses?

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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2013, 09:36:44 AM »
Re: the Canon 18-55IS. I have to agree with you. Alot of people rave about how good it is for the money, but I think I just had a really bad copy. There was nothing to rave about with that lens. It consistently produced soft images, with quite a bit of CA. Compared to the 18-135mm IS (non STM) that I replaced it with, it was like night and day. And the non STM 18-135mm wasn't that great a lens either.

Have people noticed alot of variation with Canon lenses?

There are variations with lenses and bodies.  Does your body have AFMA?  If not, it might have been the tolerance stackup between the lens and the body.

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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2013, 09:36:44 AM »

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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2013, 09:52:39 AM »
EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS   or     24-70 f2.8 II(THE BEST in zoom)
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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2013, 10:03:54 AM »

There are variations with lenses and bodies.  Does your body have AFMA?  If not, it might have been the tolerance stackup between the lens and the body.

No AFMA for me, but it wasn't a focus issue, it was a general softness (you could see the focus peak in the image, but that point was soft too), and lots of CA (enough that is was hard to get rid of in a nice way in post).

I still took thousands of pics with that lens, and with a little more post work got good results. I think I just had a particularly bad copy.

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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2013, 05:11:28 PM »
Best lens: Canon 17-55/2.8 IS.

Best lens for the money: Tamron 17-50/2.8 non-VC

I own both of these lenses and they are both excellent. 

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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2013, 05:36:24 PM »
Or a 10-22 + 24-105 2 lens combo. Then have the 50 for low light.
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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2013, 05:43:37 PM »
Canon EF-S 17–55mm f/2.8 IS
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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2013, 07:17:12 PM »
For a single lens solution, my vote goes for the EF-S 15-85 IS. The previous posters have already explained why very eloquently...


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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2013, 07:42:15 PM »
I would highly suggest asking yourself "Will I ever go full frame?" If so, then 700-1000 dollars (the price of the 15-85 and 17-55 respectively) is a lot to spend considering it won't work on a full body. All lens should be considered a long-term investment that will go from camera to camera.
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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2013, 08:00:42 PM »

Have people noticed alot of variation with Canon lenses?

Take a look at the tests done at lensrentals, where they test umpteen copies of the same lens; there's considerable variation from copy to copy across brands.  In many cases it won't be obvious and may not even be noticeable, but sometimes it is.  The second copy of the 70-300L I bought was clearly better than the first, while both 70-200 f/2.8 IIs I bought suffered from soft lower-right corners, albeit to different degrees (with the second one I probably wouldn't have noticed had I not looked for it, but I did... and am currently without a copy of that particular lens).  Judging by the comments we see here, the 24-105 seems particularly prone to variation (I seem to have been lucky with mine).  If my other lenses are not as good as they should be, it's to a degree I'm not noticing. 

Bodies vary too, in all sorts of ways - for instance, my first Pentax K-5 was part of a production batch with stained sensors, my first 5DII and Olympus OM-D had dirt on their sensors, while the AF on my very first dslr, a Nikon D3100, broke after four months (am I particularly unlucky?).  I understand that on some bodies the sensor isn't aligned quite properly; and so on.  None of this is risk-free!

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Re: Advice on replacement/upgrade for my kit 18-55 Ef-s kit lens
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