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Re: "I am boycotting Nikon" campaign
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2013, 07:40:04 AM »
Those are hogs, and hogs are numerous, and rather a nussance as well, but worse still often a threat to local endangered and threatened populations. I am totally against poaching of threatened species, and totally against wanton destruction. But, some animals NEED to be hunted by man, often especially because we displaced their predators through habitat destruction. Here in Florida, hogs are a severe nuisance, and the laws are actually pretty easy-going about the taking o' hogs. The poster says "Bring home the bacon", so the thought is not some Great White Hunter racking up tons of kills for trophies, but a productive use, potentially, anyway. THere is no reason to be so sensitive about this...

Quite so. I live in S Florida and we are overrun with harmful exotics. We have beautiful  lionfish ravaging our reefs, and all sorts of pythons taking over the Everglades. Both species are pretty much on the "kill on sight" list. Can I put a Nikon scope on a speargun? The diffraction of the water might compensate for the crappy optics...

Agreed about hogs.  They are the number one most destructive non-native animal species out there.  What's number two you ask?  Burmese Pythons?  NOPE!  Feral cats.  Feral cats are less destructive than hogs because they don't destroy habitat like hogs do - but they do kill for fun - daily.  Where are pythons on the "most destructive" list of invasives?  If you believe the media hype - then hundreds of thousands of them are a half a step slither away from killing everything in the US including the human population.  Or, if you're more informed about the issue, have spent any actual time hunting them, and/or know anything about their natural environment and their requirements to survive, then you realize there's only a few thousand of them (max) and they are a very localized problem in South Florida with no ability to spread anywhere else.  They also don't eat or kill much (like cats) and they definitely don't destroy habitat (like hogs).

Need some proof?  How about the month-long FFW SPONSORED Burmese python challenged that happened just recently.  Something like 1600 people had 30 days to capture as many as they could.  How many did they get?  68!!!  If you gave 1600 people 30 days to kill as many hogs or cats as they could, they'd get hundreds and probably more like THOUSANDS!

Don't get me wrong, I'm vehemently opposed to the survival of any non-native species, but we should really inform the general populace that Senator Bill Nelson has fooled them all by making the Burmese Python the "poster child" for non-natives.  The Brazilian Pepper plant, hogs, and yes - even fluffy the cat are FARRRRRR more dangerous to the Everglades (and the rest of the US) than Burmese Pythons.

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Re: "I am boycotting Nikon" campaign
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2013, 07:40:04 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2013, 07:59:46 AM »
Like so many issues, there are no simple answers. For example, look at Ducks Unlimited.... There is not a government or environmental group in North America that has done a fraction as much as them to preserve wetlands......and they are doing it so that they can shoot ducks.

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« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2013, 09:00:04 AM »
I'm boycotting the following:

dirty sensors
dust on filters
disembodied hands in pics
Canon Haters
Nikon Haters
Film Haters
Folks who think noobs shouldn't buy top notch gear
flare, unless artistically shot
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Re: "I am boycotting Nikon" campaign
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2013, 09:17:33 AM »
I prefer zeiss scopes over nikon anyway.

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« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2013, 10:13:27 AM »
Don't worry about those animals - if the 'scopes are made by Nikon, they will all be out of calibration and aim to the left.

We should keep politics out of the forum - some will prefer they aim to the right.
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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2013, 10:21:23 AM »
Agreed about hogs.  They are the number one most destructive non-native animal species out there.  What's number two you ask?  Burmese Pythons?  NOPE!  Feral cats.

All three species pale in comparison to H. sapiens sapiens.

Similarly, the destruction from hogs, pythons, and cats again pales in comparison to the destruction from corn, wheat, cattle, poultry, cotton....

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« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2013, 10:26:46 AM »
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Well, I don't like it when butterflies get in your hair!! Damn nuisance.

I say we need more butterfly nets -- and we should go to the United Nations about this!
You're offended? Oh, really! Life IS offense -- get used to it.

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« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2013, 10:43:21 AM »
Killing hogs is murder!  Yummy tasty murder!  breakfast time, where's my bacon!
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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2013, 11:37:46 AM »
Don't worry about those animals - if the 'scopes are made by Nikon, they will all be out of calibration and aim to the left.

We should keep politics out of the forum - some will prefer they aim to the right.

According to one of my colleagues, it was because he aimed to the left that he ended up with twins...

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« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2013, 11:38:53 AM »
Agreed about hogs.  They are the number one most destructive non-native animal species out there.  What's number two you ask?  Burmese Pythons?  NOPE!  Feral cats.

All three species pale in comparison to H. sapiens sapiens.

You are so right!

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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2013, 12:37:49 PM »
if your are really concerned.. go VEGAN!!

Sorry to disagree, but plants are living too!
And they give us oxygen and absorb carbon dioxide.
In fact, it is only out of my concern for them that I eat meat...  8)
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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2013, 12:45:50 PM »
Agreed about hogs.  They are the number one most destructive non-native animal species out there.  What's number two you ask?  Burmese Pythons?  NOPE!  Feral cats.

All three species pale in comparison to H. sapiens sapiens.

Similarly, the destruction from hogs, pythons, and cats again pales in comparison to the destruction from corn, wheat, cattle, poultry, cotton....

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100% completely agree.  Human interference has had the largest impact on the Everglades.  I'd venture to guess that the human impact would be larger than all animals and plants combined (even if you exclude the fact that humans are the cause of all the plants and animals being there).  Pollution and drainage have ravaged the Everglades (it's 50% smaller just because of drainage).

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« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2013, 02:19:50 PM »
so what they make scopes....

As always, animal rights activists seem to live on another planet and completely fail to connect to the rest of the world, but certainly the us american public. After all arms manufacturers don't kill, and gun's don't either, it's the people that use them, so if people abuse automatic weapons or scopes it's certainly only the fault of a small minority? But well, here's probably not the place to discuss that in depth.

Anyway, the issue of some with Nikon is that they the lack of differentiation between shooting for re-balancing the wildlife after human impact or general sports hunting of non-endangered species and trophy hunting that is a factor in severely diminishing some animal species in africa (but they sponsor trophy safaris), for example see http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/the-wrong-kind-of-photo-shoot-nikon-in-the-line-of-fire-over-rifle-sights-for-big-game-hunting-8556123.html

But for some reason or another Nikon doesn't seem to be entirely unaffected by the pressure - they recently re-designed their arms website to exclude shots of happy hunters standing in 19s century pose above capital prey and renamed it from "Nikon Hunting" to "Nikon Sport Optics".

I've been a hunter all my life.  My personal philosophy is that I'll never hunt something that I either can't eat, or isn't a genuine nuisance/threat.  So I would never go trophy hunting, but as long as it's species with a stable population, I'm not opposed to other people doing it.

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« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2013, 02:23:51 PM »
First, I'm kinda surprised they're not also taking flak from the pushback of the 90% of Americans fed up with the NRA. Their words say this is for hunting game, but it reads much more like a sniper rifle for somebody wanting to take out an entire SWAT team ("pigs") with a single magazine. The veiling, it is very thin.

I can't help but laugh when someone believes that 90% number.

(pro-tip: a survey of 1000 college students asked leading questions is not even remotely representative of the general adult population)

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« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2013, 02:40:45 PM »
First, I'm kinda surprised they're not also taking flak from the pushback of the 90% of Americans fed up with the NRA. Their words say this is for hunting game, but it reads much more like a sniper rifle for somebody wanting to take out an entire SWAT team ("pigs") with a single magazine. The veiling, it is very thin.

I can't help but laugh when someone believes that 90% number.

(pro-tip: a survey of 1000 college students asked leading questions is not even remotely representative of the general adult population)

Well, we're really getting off-topic, now.

But here's a very comprehensive collection of data on surveys about guns. You'll see, very consistently, from every pollster, roughly 90% support for universal background checks.

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

You may well oppose universal background checks. But you're not only in a very small minority of Americans, you're in a rather small minority of NRA members.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/

And, yet, the NRA is doing everything in its power to prevent universal background checks -- including threatening its own most favored members of Congress if they even allow the matter to come to a vote.

Cheers,

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Re: "I am boycotting Nikon" campaign
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