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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2013, 10:01:02 PM »
Thanks for the responses.

I had been leaning towards the 24-70 II and was about to pull the trigger but have been held up for considering the primes for the extra 2 stops of light and the creative possibilities with the shallow DOF. I haven't been helped with continuing reports of many people reporting that they were no longer using the primes after getting the 24-70.

I've decided to get the 24-70 II now and sell the 24-105. I'll see how it goes and will add a fast(er) prime if I think I need it going forward. Who knows, Canon might just end up releasing a new 35L II and that would fit in quite nicely  :)

Thanks for the suggestions of the Sigma and Tamron lenses but I live in India and the Sigma is not yet available here and there apparently is zero after sales service. While the Tamron 24-70 is available, IMHO their after sales service is a complete joke. I had bought a Tamron lens last year but it had massive focusing issues. Tamron remained in complete denial and claimed it was a body issue and the lens was perfect even though I gave them sample shots from three different bodies, so ultimately I ended up selling it for a loss. With the third party lenses, I'm worried that if I end up with problems, neither Tamron nor Sigma are good at finding solutions and the resale value of their lenses isn't great either. For this reason, I don't want to get into the third party route.
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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2013, 10:01:02 PM »

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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2013, 10:55:48 PM »
Another possibility is, if you should happen to miss the long end of your 105, you could pick up the 135. That combo would add some versatility.

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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2013, 12:15:21 AM »
Another possibility is, if you should happen to miss the long end of your 105, you could pick up the 135. That combo would add some versatility.

Thanks ... those were my thoughts exactly and I doubt I'll miss the telephoto end of the 105 already having the 135L. My next lens after the 24-70 II will probably be the 70-200 f/2.8 II so I don't think I'll miss the focal length from 70-105 anyway.

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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2013, 01:10:48 AM »
Sell the 24-105 and get the 24-70 II and the sigma 35!!!!!!!

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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2013, 01:23:49 AM »
I have the 24-105 f/4, 24-70 f/2.8II, and the Sigma 35f/1.4.  I've not ever tried the 24 f/1.4.

The Sigma 35 f/1.4 is a stellar performer, I'm absolutely thrilled with it since day one, and it was worth every cent.  35mm isn't exactly my favorite length either.  The 24-70 f/2.8 II I now have (first one I bought was wonky) is very good, but I'm still not convinced it's worth what Canon is asking for it.  I've still not had enough time with it to determine whether or not it's worth it for me to sell the 24-105 and keep it.

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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2013, 03:13:33 AM »
Having had 24-70L,28-70L, I would say the 24-70L II is a good jump in quality
(not as dramatic as i noticed when moving from 70-200L 2.8IS to 70-200L 2.8IS II)

the primes I had were 50/1.4, 35L, 85L II

i sold 50/1.4 and 85L II (85 just had too many lost shots - possibly caused by the idiot behind the camera rather than the lens,but eitherway caused a lot of frustrations)

I've not used 24L, but will not part with my 35L- find it's a superb focal length on full frame with great bokeh on wide. 24 is a bit too specialist (for me)

I did recently add a 135L to the mix

so in short, i'd recommend the zoom,and add the 35L when possible.....the 50's available at the moment just don't cut it IMHO -esp when compared to what else is available
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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2013, 04:37:41 AM »
Sell the 24-105 and get the 24-70 II and the sigma 35!!!!!!!
I did the same thing.
Both of these lenses are astounding on my 5DIII. (I don't care if Canon makes a 35mm f/1.4L II. The Sigma will be $1000 less and the IQ will be better and the price leaves enough cash to pick up a 135mm f/2L or a Sigma 85mmf/1.4!).
Shooting in tight the 35mm f/1.4 has some creative advantages...I also find that when I put this lens on the camera that it is so much fun to use and the results so eye-popping that I do not want to take it off the camera and find myself composing shots to fit the focal length and speed of this lens. Fun, fun, fun!
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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2013, 04:37:41 AM »

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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2013, 06:46:53 AM »
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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2013, 07:21:02 AM »
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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2013, 07:24:45 AM »
I have the original 24-70 , and I am quite happy with it. It has been a workhorse of a lens for me, and I was lucky enough to end up with a good copy. I am curious if any original 24-70 owner migrated to the mk2 and felt a substantial jump in terms of sharpness across the frame wide open, and throughout the range, and also if it has better contrast to boot. Is it worth the upgrade to the mk2 version if you use the 24-70 for family events, family portraits, general purpose? Curious about how others felt who migrated from mk1 to mk2.

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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2013, 07:27:24 AM »
Sell the 24-105 and get the 24-70 II and the sigma 35!!!!!!!
I did the same thing.
Both of these lenses are astounding on my 5DIII. (I don't care if Canon makes a 35mm f/1.4L II. The Sigma will be $1000 less and the IQ will be better and the price leaves enough cash to pick up a 135mm f/2L or a Sigma 85mmf/1.4!).
Shooting in tight the 35mm f/1.4 has some creative advantages...I also find that when I put this lens on the camera that it is so much fun to use and the results so eye-popping that I do not want to take it off the camera and find myself composing shots to fit the focal length and speed of this lens. Fun, fun, fun!

Thanks ... but as I mentioned above, Sigma Art lenses are not available in India (not yet anyway). While I would say that the Sigma lenses are as stellar as everyone makes them out to be, their service in India is virtually non-existent and I don't want to go down that route.

Guess I'll just have to wait for the rumored 35L II because reportedly the 24-70 II is better then the 35L prime at the moment
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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2013, 07:40:47 AM »
I just sold my 24-70 II last week...i found it a good, sharp lens...but also kind of boring. With my prime Lenses i can get more pictures that just "pops" out.

For me...the primes are the way to go  8)
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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2013, 07:50:39 AM »
24-70 II sharpest thing i own.

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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2013, 08:55:01 AM »

Thanks ... but as I mentioned above, Sigma Art lenses are not available in India (not yet anyway). While I would say that the Sigma lenses are as stellar as everyone makes them out to be, their service in India is virtually non-existent and I don't want to go down that route.

Guess I'll just have to wait for the rumored 35L II because reportedly the 24-70 II is better then the 35L prime at the moment

JR,

Even I was in your position a few weeks back and finally decided to sell the 24-105L for the 24-70 II. The new 24-70 is very sharp and after AFMA with my 5DIII its sharper than my 100L. Go for it, you wont regret it. Only  problem is the 82mm filter diameter.

BTW, I am from India as well and got the 24-70II for around 2400USD (incld tax and Canon warranty)

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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2013, 09:05:13 AM »
I just sold my 24-70 II last week...i found it a good, sharp lens...but also kind of boring. With my prime Lenses i can get more pictures that just "pops" out.

For me...the primes are the way to go  8)

I don't have hands on experience, but am debating the same thing.  I just upgraded to the 5DIII and currently have the 24-105 f/4.  I am plenty impressed with the 24-105, but I am even more impressed with the comments and reviews I have seen of hte 24-70 II.  So I have been debating, sometime in the next year, do I sell the 24-105 and buy the 24-70 II or do I start collecting primes.  I am also making the same debate in the 70-200 mm range (70-200 f/2.8 II vs primes at 85, 135 and 200).

I am coming down on DOF.  The DOF of f/2.8 at 10 ft is 11.1 ft @ 24 mm, 4.4 ft @ 35 mm, 2.1 ft @ 50 mm, 1 ft @ 70 mm, 0.7 ft @ 85 mm, and 0.27 ft at 135 mm.  Compare to f/1.4 at 10 feet focus distance and you get a total depth of field of 4.7 ft at 24 mm, 2.1 ft at 35 mm, 1 ft at 50 mm, 0.5 ft at 70 mm, 0.35 ft at 85 mm, and 0.14 ft at 135 mm (granted, the 135 is f/2, which has a DOF of 0.2 ft).

So from 70-200 mm, I am currently thinking I will get the 70-200 f/2.8 over primes, eventually, as f/2.8 gives me most of the DOF I will need (I am a hobbiest, not a pro).  But you start getting down in the 24-35 mm range, and I can see how the DOF would limit your "artistic" ability.  If I had to buy my kit right now, I'd probably keep my 24-105 as a walk around lens and buy primes at 24 mm, and 35 mm.

I am coming to this decision a little reluctantly as I have seen so much love for the 135 f/2 and the 24-70 f/2.8 II.  So I may still change my opinion, but I am currently thinking those may be luxuries for much further down the road...for me, that is.

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Re: Which Lens ... 24-70 II or primes?
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