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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2013, 03:57:18 AM »
I've imported a few RAW images and it seem like the rendering performance is much faster than V4. Switching from the Library to Develop module and zooming to 100% seems to give a nearly instant rendering.  tibia gold


 ;)I've been using DPP to process images for the last 4 years or so.  I find that OOC RAW files usually just need to have lens aberrations corrected and then be sharpened for a realistic look (I shoot in the "Faithful" scene mode).  For instance - this thread is what's spurring this post: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=14101

However, when I import into LR, I find that MUCH MUCH MUCH more work has to be done to get the image to look normal/realistic.  In fact, when I open an image in LR, it looks absolutely terrible and is BEGGING for PP'ing.

So I guess what I'm wondering is, why do so many use LR?  Am I alone in either A) Wanting images that look like reality or B) Am I doing something wrong to cause images in LR to look terrible upon opening them or C) Something else?

In DPP, I pretty much always go through each picture with the quick preview option, rate the keepers, go back and crop them if necessary, then open the first picture in the series, correct aberrations, possibly use NR if I shot above 800 ISO, then sharpen, then close, copy recipe, and paste it to all other images.  My work flow for 100 pictures takes just a few minutes and with very few exceptions, they need almost no adjustments for white balance, contrast, saturation, etc., and a little more often, for brightness.  Then I batch process the keepers.

So again, what am I missing?  Is this just a case where this work flow works well for me and not many others?

Thanks for any insight, recommendations, feedback, etc.

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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2013, 03:57:18 AM »

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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2013, 05:34:57 AM »
This thing is really going to need some killer features & performance improvements to get me to "upgrade" my macbook away from 10.6 in order to use it.  My GF's machine has Lion on it & I tear my hair out every time I try to use that thing.

Can anyone running the beta please check & see if they've added a new process version (e.g. "2013 (current)")?

Thanks :-)

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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2013, 08:26:54 AM »
This thing is really going to need some killer features & performance improvements to get me to "upgrade" my macbook away from 10.6 in order to use it.  My GF's machine has Lion on it & I tear my hair out every time I try to use that thing.

Can anyone running the beta please check & see if they've added a new process version (e.g. "2013 (current)")?

Thanks :-)

The beta uses the same PV as 4.0 (2012).
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2013, 07:32:51 PM »
The beta uses the same PV as 4.0 (2012).

Thanks!

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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2013, 12:16:44 AM »
Messed around the non-circular healing brush ... just love it ... now I don't need to open CS6 every time to use that feature.
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2013, 12:20:46 AM »
Messed around the non-circular healing brush ... just love it ... now I don't need to open CS6 every time to use that feature.
Oh man, that's what I've been waiting to hear!  I'm sick of the round brushes already!!  Do they have brush options Rienz or is it just one different than it was? That's probably enough to get me to download the beta!
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2013, 02:08:50 AM »
Messed around the non-circular healing brush ... just love it ... now I don't need to open CS6 every time to use that feature.
Do they have brush options Rienz or is it just one different than it was?
Not sure if I understood you entirely, but I was speaking of Spot Removal brush and it is still "round" but now you can actually do real "brush strokes" to clone out portions of the image, which you couldn't do with the earlier versions as it was just one fixed click without the freedom of an actual brush stroke ... don't know if that makes sense ... but this video might help
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2013, 02:10:49 AM »
Do they have brush options Rienz or is it just one different than it was?
Not sure if I understood you entirely ... I was speaking of Spot Removal brush and it is still "round" but what I meant when I said "non-circular" is that now you can actually do real "brush strokes" to clone out portions of the image, which you couldn't do with the earlier versions as it was just one fixed click without the freedom of an actual brush stroke ... don't know if that makes sense ... but this video might help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MENeORB58QE
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2013, 02:30:40 AM »
Do they have brush options Rienz or is it just one different than it was?
Not sure if I understood you entirely ... I was speaking of Spot Removal brush and it is still "round" but what I meant when I said "non-circular" is that now you can actually do real "brush strokes" to clone out portions of the image, which you couldn't do with the earlier versions as it was just one fixed click without the freedom of an actual brush stroke ... don't know if that makes sense ... but this video might help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MENeORB58QE
Yes, it made sense and that's actually what I meant, it was bad form with my wording.  My apologies. 

I did download it and tried it out on a couple images...  I'd really like it much better if they made it "Content Aware" as well, like in CS6 & PS Elements 11.  That would be even better and perhaps they will in the final version!

Anyway, I really like the "Radial Filter" feature with it.  I thought it worked superb.  Overall, my 1st impressions are that it does seem to render a bit quicker than the LR4.3 and the adjustments seem overall a bit smoother as well.  I think I will like it.

Here is an image I edited with the LR5 beta a few minutes ago.  Used the radial filter fairly strongly and I think I like how it works.  Gave the subject just a bit more separation from the background and I think it's pretty smooth...

I only used LR5 beta on this one.  5d3, 70-200mm F/2.8L IS II, 1/1000 sec, f/3.2, ISO 400, 200mm
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2013, 03:23:27 AM »
I'd really like it much better if they made it "Content Aware" as well, like in CS6 & PS Elements 11.  That would be even better and perhaps they will in the final version!
+1 ... but IMHO, even in its present state its a major improvement over what we had earlier.
Here is an image I edited with the LR5 beta a few minutes ago.  Used the radial filter fairly strongly and I think I like how it works.  Gave the subject just a bit more separation from the background and I think it's pretty smooth...
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #40 on: April 21, 2013, 01:10:33 AM »
Damn, need Mac OS 10.7+
Im scared to update from 10.6.8
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« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2013, 01:49:41 AM »
Damn, need Mac OS 10.7+
Im scared to update from 10.6.8

Why ?? I'm using OSX 10.8.3, end of the world hasn't materialised.
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2013, 01:51:11 AM »
I've imported a few RAW images and it seem like the rendering performance is much faster than V4. Switching from the Library to Develop module and zooming to 100% seems to give a nearly instant rendering.  tibia gold


 ;)I've been using DPP to process images for the last 4 years or so.  I find that OOC RAW files usually just need to have lens aberrations corrected and then be sharpened for a realistic look (I shoot in the "Faithful" scene mode).  For instance - this thread is what's spurring this post: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=14101

However, when I import into LR, I find that MUCH MUCH MUCH more work has to be done to get the image to look normal/realistic.  In fact, when I open an image in LR, it looks absolutely terrible and is BEGGING for PP'ing.

So I guess what I'm wondering is, why do so many use LR?  Am I alone in either A) Wanting images that look like reality or B) Am I doing something wrong to cause images in LR to look terrible upon opening them or C) Something else?

In DPP, I pretty much always go through each picture with the quick preview option, rate the keepers, go back and crop them if necessary, then open the first picture in the series, correct aberrations, possibly use NR if I shot above 800 ISO, then sharpen, then close, copy recipe, and paste it to all other images.  My work flow for 100 pictures takes just a few minutes and with very few exceptions, they need almost no adjustments for white balance, contrast, saturation, etc., and a little more often, for brightness.  Then I batch process the keepers.

So again, what am I missing?  Is this just a case where this work flow works well for me and not many others?

Thanks for any insight, recommendations, feedback, etc.


Could you start a new thread with that? I think there are a LOT of things you could do to make LR produce better results right out of camera, and with even less work than you do with DPP. LR is a powerful tool, and when used properly, it can produce great results with little work.

There are a couple things that DPP has to it's advantage, although workflow wouldn't be one of them in my book. For one, the REAL benefit of DPP is the RAW processing...whatever Canon does, it produces less noisy results than LR. LR uses an AHDD, or Adaptive Homogeneity-Directed Demosaicing, algorithm to perform the basic rendering. Weaved into that process are some of the basic edits, like exposure, basic color processing (i.e. WB and the like), etc. AHDD is very good at minimizing artifacts, but it does not seem to be as good with CR2 files at suppressing noise. DPP has better noise management for sure (standard deviation of noise tends to be about HALF that with LR), but it is not as good with artifacts, and it often produces more aliasing along sharp edges or lines (i.e. telephone lines, strands of hair, etc.) Additionally, DPP uses the exact same tone curves and processing algorithm for picture styles as Canon's cameras, so what you see in camera is basically what you get out of DPP. LR, on the other hand, defaults to Adobe's own Camera Profile, which is QUITE different than Canon Picture Styles. You can switch to Canon Camera Profiles in LR, including Faithful, but it is not a 100% perfect match for Canon's.

Anyway, more if you start another thread.
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2013, 01:51:11 AM »

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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #43 on: April 21, 2013, 02:37:59 AM »
Damn, need Mac OS 10.7+
Im scared to update from 10.6.8

Why ?? I'm using OSX 10.8.3, end of the world hasn't materialised.
But what hardware are you using?

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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2013, 04:04:25 AM »
I have noticed quite significant performance improvements going from 4.1 to 4.5 so I wonder if this is going to be a big step up or just another tweak.

And still no Ken Burns effect on the slideshow I assume?

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Re: Adobe Lightroom 5 Public Beta Available
« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2013, 04:04:25 AM »