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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2013, 09:33:04 PM »
18 MP. 21 MP. 24 MP. Even 15 MP.  Frankly, I don't especially care.  If it does a full stop or more better in terms of high ISO noise performance for RAW images vs. the 7D, a 7DII will be interesting to me. If not, no interest.

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Exactly.
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2013, 09:33:04 PM »

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2013, 09:42:53 PM »
18 MP. 21 MP. 24 MP. Even 15 MP.  Frankly, I don't especially care.  If it does a full stop or more better in terms of high ISO noise performance for RAW images vs. the 7D, a 7DII will be interesting to me. If not, no interest.

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Better high ISO performance is a must.  Usable ISO at and above 3200 is key... I have the ISO max on my 7D set at 1600.  Anything higher I have to render in B&W to be usable.

Things I don't care about: Megapixels, GPS, Wifi, Touchscreen, FPS, AF (current 7D AF and FPS are fine).

Things I do care about: ISO, price.

Otherwise, my current 7D will remain as my backup camera.
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2013, 09:45:50 PM »
18 MP. 21 MP. 24 MP. Even 15 MP.  Frankly, I don't especially care.  If it does a full stop or more better in terms of high ISO noise performance for RAW images vs. the 7D, a 7DII will be interesting to me. If not, no interest.

+1

Better high ISO performance is a must.  Usable ISO at and above 3200 is key... I have the ISO max on my 7D set at 1600.  Anything higher I have to render in B&W to be usable.

Things I don't care about: Megapixels, GPS, Wifi, Touchscreen, FPS, AF (current 7D AF and FPS are fine).

Things I do care about: ISO, price.

Otherwise, my current 7D will remain as my backup camera.
I feel very much the same about my 7D.  As I've said many times in different topics, it's still a relevant camera and tool in my bag...
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2013, 09:49:48 PM »
So lets see if I understand this... The 7D2 MIGHT be 21 megapixels, or it MIGHT be 24, or it could possibly be 18. And the 70D MIGHT have one of those sensors.... or it could be something else.....

Yeah, I know... sounds like a company that knows what it is doing, doesn't it?
I'm sure that Canon knows exactly what they are doing.... they just aren't telling...

+1  Basically field testing different combinations of attributes and trying to decide which combination in the current environment of other Canon, NIkon and to a less degree Sony, ... bodies (current and near future) will have the greatest incrementality to the brand.  Plus factor in manufacturing and supply challenges, and you will begin to understand their decision process.

Too advanced and manufacturing challenges reduce capacity and may cut into pro level cameras.  Not enough improvements, current customers may switch to Nikon or trade down a level.

Anyone else from Marketing / General Management here?

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2013, 09:52:59 PM »
18 MP. 21 MP. 24 MP. Even 15 MP.  Frankly, I don't especially care.  If it does a full stop or more better in terms of high ISO noise performance for RAW images vs. the 7D, a 7DII will be interesting to me. If not, no interest.

+1

I owned 2 units of 7D, sold the old &for a new 7D for extra zoom & overall built =) , but I can't bear to wait the new 7DII for several reason... If no ISO improvement really feel upset...

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2013, 09:59:12 PM »
I wonder if it will be a new process with modern levels of low ISO DR or not.
If not, then I'd be fearing for even the 5D4 :( to get such a sensor.

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2013, 10:00:33 PM »
18 MP. 21 MP. 24 MP. Even 15 MP.  Frankly, I don't especially care.  If it does a full stop or more better in terms of high ISO noise performance for RAW images vs. the 7D, a 7DII will be interesting to me. If not, no interest.

+1

I owned 2 units of 7D, sold the old &for a new 7D for extra zoom & overall built =) , but I can't bear to wait the new 7DII for several reason... If no ISO improvement really feel upset...
They've been listening to everyone gripe about the high ISO performance of the 7D for the last 3 years.  I'd have to admit if they didn't work on that and give us at least 1 stop better performance on the Mk II, why would there really be any enticement to upgrade?  10fps over 8fps?  Not for me...

More superb AF system, something on the 5D3 level or close?  That may do it but after working with my 7D for the last several years, I pretty much can nail AF using technique that has improved with time and the 7D in my hands...  We are often one, the 7d and I...

Even yet, the real seller for me is going to be very improved high ISO performance... that's the other shoe waiting to drop...  ???

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2013, 10:00:33 PM »

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2013, 10:01:56 PM »
I wonder will we see DIGIC 6, or dual fives in the 7DII? Not sure how adding more pixels to either camera will improve anything. I guess it's not a huge jump though I can't see the high ISO looking any better than it does now on a 7D. Wish they'd stick with 18mp and just aim at improving image quality but then where's the marketing strategy? Numbers sell.
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2013, 10:06:59 PM »
I wonder will we see DIGIC 6, or dual fives in the 7DII? Not sure how adding more pixels to either camera will improve anything. I guess it's not a huge jump though I can't see the high ISO looking any better than it does now on a 7D. Wish they'd stick with 18mp and just aim at improving image quality but then where's the marketing strategy? Numbers sell.
They could pull it off with the Dual Digic 5plus.. that wouldn't be bad.  Dual Digic 6 may be a screamer though!  Looking forward to some Cr2 rumors!
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2013, 10:18:34 PM »
So lets see if I understand this... The 7D2 MIGHT be 21 megapixels, or it MIGHT be 24, or it could possibly be 18. And the 70D MIGHT have one of those sensors.... or it could be something else.....

Yeah, I know... sounds like a company that knows what it is doing, doesn't it?

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2013, 10:22:12 PM »
They could pull it off with the Dual Digic 5plus.. that wouldn't be bad.  Dual Digic 6 may be a screamer though!  Looking forward to some Cr2 rumors!

They might use dual 5+ again this time, but I still have my hopes up for Digic 6.

A considerable delay on a model could mean they've put Digic 6 on it.

FWIW, I bet we're gonna be seing 2x 5+ on the 7dmk2, and digic 6 on the 70D. ;)
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2013, 10:22:24 PM »
I could use a crop body just for some reach at times, but this is going to have to offer something with an awfully big WOW effect to entice me. The 5DIII does everything pretty darn well as it is.

I hope it has something enticing, because I like new stuff. As it is, I can get a T3i for $500 for the occasional bit of reach.

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2013, 10:24:57 PM »
For me to buy a 7DII, sensor performance will need to be greatly improved.  I don't care about being able to push an underexposed shot 5-stops, it's just not the way I shoot.  I do want better tonal transitions and cleaner low and high ISO performance.  The thing that stands out to me is how "durable" APS-H and FF Canon raw files seem to be compared to APS-C files.  My 7D files require more sharpening and more overall PP compared to FF raw files, and that's understood, but when I do PP aggressively, the images start to fall apart pretty fast.  If that can be improved, I'll stick with APS-C because I'm still reach limited, otherwise, I'll keep my 7D and add a FF body....
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2013, 11:18:57 PM »
Actually I'd like to pull it back 5 stops and keep the highlights intact.  The rest is just an empty bank account.

For me to buy a 7DII, sensor performance will need to be greatly improved.  I don't care about being able to push an underexposed shot 5-stops, it's just not the way I shoot.  I do want better tonal transitions and cleaner low and high ISO performance.  The thing that stands out to me is how "durable" APS-H and FF Canon raw files seem to be compared to APS-C files.  My 7D files require more sharpening and more overall PP compared to FF raw files, and that's understood, but when I do PP aggressively, the images start to fall apart pretty fast.  If that can be improved, I'll stick with APS-C because I'm still reach limited, otherwise, I'll keep my 7D and add a FF body....

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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2013, 11:25:50 PM »
For me to buy a 7DII, sensor performance will need to be greatly improved.  I don't care about being able to push an underexposed shot 5-stops, it's just not the way I shoot.  I do want better tonal transitions and cleaner low and high ISO performance.  The thing that stands out to me is how "durable" APS-H and FF Canon raw files seem to be compared to APS-C files.  My 7D files require more sharpening and more overall PP compared to FF raw files, and that's understood, but when I do PP aggressively, the images start to fall apart pretty fast.  If that can be improved, I'll stick with APS-C because I'm still reach limited, otherwise, I'll keep my 7D and add a FF body....

I agree the RAW files from the 5D II can be pushed a lot more than the 7D ones. I also find myself using the NR sliders a lot more when using 7D files! Even after correcting images that are shot at ISO 100 they start to look noisy. Just an extra annoying pp step i would like to avoid.
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Re: 21mp Sensor in the 7D Mark II? [CR1]
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